No it isn't, if he wants to call a general election then all he has to do is put dissolution to the house and they have to vote for it.
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Never.
The most laughable part of all this is that opposition parties have had 3 years to think about this as a possibility and they cannot agree on anything.
Aw, bless.
The idea The Queen will do anything to stop a right wing government is the height of fantasy.
Okay you win. Caf, can we all start using one of the above instead please because, err, Stanley Road doesn't like the other one.
Been approved by the Queen according to the BBC.
Yeah but that might be less favourable in terms of achieving his no deal.
Don't forget to stand for the national anthem, peasants.
So you agree with it then...
Well, there isn't. It's pretty much black and white when it comes to the defintion. I've looked at several articles now just to confirm and they're all saying the same thing.
Prorogation - Suspend
Dissolution - End
Parliament is prorogued at the end of a session, but the same MPs will meet up again after taking a break. (suspending)
When Parliament is dissolved, it is the end of that Parliament, and a new general election must be held before the next one. (ending)
They're actually very different. Hence why I questioned Stanley initially when he mentioned Dissolution as that is not what Boris is trying to do.
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Not talking semantics, more what it means for the country in terms of the legality of doing it now.
Proroguing approved by The Queen
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Thank you for your condescending response.
Aw, bless.
The idea The Queen will do anything to stop a right wing government is the height of fantasy.
So the point of starting the new session is..?
Aw, bless.
The idea The Queen will do anything to stop a right wing government is the height of fantasy.
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He doesn't know the answer to that because it's a nonsensical statement to make.
You might prorogue parlaiment for a few days if you were intending to put forward dissolution for practical purposes. A month suspension serves no purpose towards a general election, none
Johnson said it himself, how to proceed after the Brexit armageddon.
Worst tweet in history.
Revolution?... French style?
Well, maybe you’ll think twice next time before fetishising the head of our monarchy as some kind of fluffy bastion of liberal good will, rather than an ancient old woman and imperial relic with a racist husband and pedophile son, heavily invested in the power of the Conservatives and the continuing consolidation of old money.... just sayin’
The actual point is that just because I cross the road every time I go to the shop does not actually mean that every time I cross the road it's because I'm going shopping.
What you are obviously missing is that prorogation prior to dissolution is pursuant to an election being called and voted upon by the whole Commons. The fact one hasn't been called obviously demonstrates that this particular prorogation is of a different character - ie one that just ends a parliamentary session.
Who's chopping the Queen's head off?
Guess the timetable is now fully set
Parliament back on 2nd and labour Calls confidence motion to be debated 3rd
3rd... Confidence debate and potentially a pretty interesting pmq's
4th? Fek knows...
Parliament back on 2nd and labour Calls confidence motion to be debated 3rd
3rd... Confidence debate and potentially a pretty interesting pmq's
4th? Fek knows...
Is this exactly how Nazi Germany started? I'm not up to speed on my history.
To end the previous session which, if we are all honest about it, achieved nothing, was deadlocked and served no purpose.
Effectively this has killed any and all bills and amendments currently outstanding.
Where are all the cool coats tho!? Worst. Nazis. Ever!
It's got nothing to do with semantics though. Dissolution is completely different, what Boris is doing is prorogation. All i'm doing is correcting the people (Stanley) who incorrectly said it was dissolution.
From what i've read dissolution guarantees an election as it dissolves Parliament (hence the name), prorogation does not, they all return after the prorogation has ended. I'm just correcting misinformation.
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Come on, that isn't fair.
You forgot about her paedophile second cousin once removed and her other son, Peter Ball's best mate.
Fair enough, but tbh all people really give a shit about is what this means for Brexit and will anyone be able to stop the Johnson shitshow.
Identical situations. If you are brain damaged.
That's not actually the case. The government nominally persists until the election. Being a Minister of the Crown is separate from being an MP. Crown duties continue even though parliament is dissolved.
It's a delaying tactic ultimately from what I can gather. On the 14th October Parliament restarts, but all discussions previously have been closed. Meaning that it starts all over again, so the last few weeks of discussions have effectively been rendered obsolete. It's a method of increasing the chances of a no deal brexit ultimately.
Correct, I meant Parliament. I'll edit the post.
So Boris has successful disolved parliament.
When do we start having conversations abouy our democracy at a basic level?
The concept of a monarchy is a fecking mess. Imagine Trump suspended Congress?
When do we start having conversations abouy our democracy at a basic level?
The concept of a monarchy is a fecking mess. Imagine Trump suspended Congress?
Yeah, and tbf, maybe Edward will bring back Its A Royal Knockout to lift our post-Brexit spirits? It’ll be just like the 2012 Olympics, when everything was great.
And the first several days will have to be spent debating the Queen's Speech
This actually is how Nazi Germany started
It literally states why in the first line. To suspend the current session. To shut down all that went before and start fresh.
Now ministers have to start again, for everything that wasn't passed.
This of course takes time, and with a 31st October deadline, time is lacking.
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