His words “which would suggest off the field issues". He is not asking. He is suggesting. Without knowing much about him. In isolation this would be ignorant. We do know sourness is fairly ignorant person. So could just be that. Because of his previous irrational criticism of Pogba..IMO there is enough to suggest subconscious racist bias.
It's probably a bit of both.
Any good pundit would have researched whether Kean had a buy back clause or not
If you see enough of Souness you will see there is a trend with him.
But racism is not just that. All these subconscious biases are also racism. That's what we are realizing more and have to as a society try to get better at.
His comments about Kean, in isolation, are not racist. His comments about Pogba, in isolation, are not racist. His decision to compare Kean to Adebayor, in isolation, is not racist. When you take all his comments together, and compare it with his attitude towards other players, a picture starts to emerge which it would be reasonable to assume that, conscious or otherwise, Souness has a bias against players of colour. His slip of the tongue when he said Pogba played for Africa at the World Cup exposed his warped mind-set. Interpreting this generously, I'd say that Souness is probably not racist in the sense that he's some clown who would ever espouse white supremacy or the inferiority of other races, but he has come from an era where stereotypes and prejudices were commonplace (and still are, although less prevalent/more widely rejected) and he's imbibed some of them, which remain embedded in his thought process to this day. I think that is a perfectly reasonable assumption to make based on his comments.
+100 There is something very suspect with Souness. At the very least he is very ill informed regarding Keane and at worst, well...
You are asking too much from Souness! Racism and research don't mix
He has commented on dozens if not hundreds black players in his time. A handful is enough to label someone racist
The second last sentence probably sums up his mindset.
Yes, correct.
I don't follow Seria A and I know that 1) he had only a year left and 2) his agent is Raiola.
That's stupid. He hasn't said anything actually of any racist substance but because a handful of black players (out of countless he has run commentary on) he has talked about in ways you don't agree with makes him racist. What a world we live in. You lot love to throw around that word. I'm going to scream racism next time any one criticises me and a few of my mates because we are mostly Black and Asian, if that's all it takes
It's stupid to label someone a racist unless they are racist in every single interaction or conversation they have involving a person of colour?
ok then. No one is claiming that Souness is running around throwing the n-word about and banging on about the superiority of the Aryan race. What we are saying, and what we believe the evidence is clear to see, is that Souness's treatment towards some players of colour has been out of order and appears guilty of indulging in some archaic and offensive stereotypes. So if you think something negative about a black person or make a presupposition that meets a stereotype once or twice, that's enough to be a racist. What's Eriksen got to do with this? There could be a number if reasons why he thinks Eriksen would Not kick up a fuss outside of his race but you jump straight to racism. Mountain out of a molehill. Generation outrage at its fullestIt's stupid to label someone a racist unless they are racist in every single interaction or conversation they have involving a person of colour?
He knows nothing about Kean, but decided to spout nonsense about his attitude and suggest that there was something amiss about him. Out of all the players he could have compared him to, he chose Adebayor. Funnily enough, when he was asked about Eriksen not playing at Spurs, he stated that he did not know the player and assumed that there were no problems with his attitude. He has an undeniable vendetta against Pogba and made a comment about him representing Africa at the World Cup. He got taken off air on Sky once for saying Salah was like Dalglish with a suntan. Racism is insidious and you're naive to think that it most commonly occurs in brazen acts such as using the n-word or outright referring to someone's skin colour. If you can't see any problem with the way Souness talks and acts at times, then I'd suggest you look a little closer and educate yourself.
I think you may be exaggerating just a touch with thatIt's stupid to label someone a racist unless they are racist in every single interaction or conversation they have involving a person of colour?
He knows nothing about Kean, but decided to spout nonsense about his attitude and suggest that there was something amiss about him. Out of all the players he could have compared him to, he chose Adebayor. Funnily enough, when he was asked about Eriksen not playing at Spurs, he stated that he did not know the player and assumed that there were no problems with his attitude. He has an undeniable vendetta against Pogba and made a comment about him representing Africa at the World Cup. He got taken off air on Sky once for saying Salah was like Dalglish with a suntan. Racism is insidious and you're naive to think that it most commonly occurs in brazen acts such as using the n-word or outright referring to someone's skin colour. If you can't see any problem with the way Souness talks and acts at times, then I'd suggest you look a little closer and educate yourself.
I know you meant this to be an insult but you know what? I'd rather live in a generation where people are offended easily and you actually have to think about the words you use than a generation where it was ok to put up signs saying "no blacks" or where it was ok for people to go around paki bashing.
I would not like to live in a time where people racially abuse each other either. No one would. But let's not go overboard the other way
*applauds*
This is just pathetic. For a min lets forget theignorance, the logic he uses is downright stupid. Because Juventus sold him means alarm bell is going off in his head. We have few who use same logic, just because club wants to sign a player means he must be good and fans who watched him for years must be wrong. Likewise club wants to sell players means he isn't good enough, no matter what's the reason they are selling him.
That’s not even comparable to the point of making you look desperate to whub on behalf of Souness.
This. Chelsea sold De Bruyne at a young age. Did Souness also believe this about him?
Souness was too thick to even know a player called KdB was playing for Chelsea.
Haha, forgive me and others for having the temerity to be aggrieved at a perceived racial bias in a football pundit. Next time I believe someone to be guilty of indulging in racial stereotypes, I'll keep my mouth shut lest I be called a snowflake. It's almost like your argument becomes 'well, it was only a little bit racist, so what's the big deal?'.
I mean he'll have shared dressing rooms where racial banter would have gone unchallenged. There's a known punditry incident where Richard Keys called a Black Scottish player a 'Chocko Jocko' while sitting next to Souness. You think he wasn't exposed to worse language in everyday life? You think it's likely he didn't assimilate any of the stereotypes that abounded back then? Perceived racial bias because he digs out Pogba (who has given plenty reason to be dug out) and was asking questions about Moise who happens to be black? So because they happen to be black it's because he must be a racist. Graham showed a Iack of knowledge and If you track Grahame commentary, if he feels something is up, he always uses attitude as he is from that era where attitude and heart rules talent.Haha, forgive me and others for having the temerity to be aggrieved at a perceived racial bias in a football pundit. Next time I believe someone to be guilty of indulging in racial stereotypes, I'll keep my mouth shut lest I be called a snowflake. It's almost like your argument becomes 'well, it was only a little bit racist, so what's the big deal?'.
You're just being wilfully ignorant at this stage. You're acting as if it's some kind of bizarre conspiracy that a 66 year old ex-British footballer is prone to resorting to racial stereotypes, consciously or otherwise
I'd much rather be part of 'Generation Outrage' than the archaic and reactionary generation which screams 'snowflake' when anyone dares to call out people for racist/misogynistic/homophobic behaviour. Read some history books and maybe you'll grasp the significance of language when it comes to things such as race.
Well done on continuing to spectacularly miss the point. No one is saying that he has criticised black players he is racist. I'm sure he has criticised lots of players in the past, plenty of whom will have been black, all without stirring any response. And Pogba has attracted a hell of a lot of criticism from pundits, and no one is accusing them of racism. It is the nature of his criticism of Pogba and Kean, comparison to Adebayor, slip of the tongue when he mentioned Africa, that is indicative of a man guilty of lapsing into offensive and outdated racial stereotypes when judging players.
I already offered alternatives to why Pogba gets criticised the most by Souness. From day one he could not get past the exorbitant fee that his 'beloved' United paid for him
