Maybe their thinking is to just get in a manager that can coach the players, whilst leaving the buying of the players to someone else like the director of football.
Graham Potter | turns down Ajax job
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Agree with all of that. Having the right structure does not guarantee success today, but if Sir Jim put in place a modern football structure, I would be happy to wait to get that up and running before making any managerial change. In fact, I think making a change before that is set up properly is deeply problematic.
We cannot attract any top manager, that's why we have not so far, only on past it managers or unproven managers at a top level. We cannot compete for top managers, they have little reason to want to come.
The only reason a top manager wouldn’t want to come here is because the footballing structure is so obviously flawed, and they are ultimately set up for failure. If we can correct that by making the right appointments and decisions throughout the football operation, our prospects of attracting top tier coaches, improves dramatically.
I suppose some people believe he's a better manager than Moyes + that Chelsea was an incredibly toxic environment that many managers would fail in so can be overlooked. The problem with the latter though is you could label the exact same thing at United.
Ok, but that is not reality. We have a crap squad, we make crap buys, we screw ourselves with wages that are too high, and have proven over and over as a club we know little about football.
We are far behind, old fashion, and no top manager would want this. We need to improve the club before we attract people because all we have to offer is money.
Funny thing about this was that Potter was well known for creating a Brighton side that could play well but not score.
Well, 1 out of 2 isn't bad, but it also isn't great.
Well, 1 out of 2 isn't bad, but it also isn't great.
I don’t think we’ll ever see the kind of setup most crave for here, the hierarchy is just so convoluted and there’s too much riding on every result to give us the breathing space needed to change everything.
Look at Newcastle, finished bottom of their group and currently below us in the league, but the press are desperately trying to sack our manager (who is dealing with much bigger problems), and citing Eddie Howe as a saviour.. they’re allowed to change their entire setup whenever they like with pretty much zero pressure, they could change the director of football ten times and nobody would blink…but the constant hounding by the press we get means we aren’t allowed to change anything if it doesn’t fundamentally guarantee success, so we just carry on with the status quo and hope the players will up their game against Bournemouth or whatever… the reality is. The team are a Frankenstein bunch made up of four different managers ideas, and if we’re being honest, they were mostly their second or third choice options at that.. it needs starting from scratch, but I don’t think we’ll ever get it.
we’re a mid-table club now, with mid-table quality players…sometimes capable of going on a decent run if they’re up for it, that’s just the reality of the situation
Look at Newcastle, finished bottom of their group and currently below us in the league, but the press are desperately trying to sack our manager (who is dealing with much bigger problems), and citing Eddie Howe as a saviour.. they’re allowed to change their entire setup whenever they like with pretty much zero pressure, they could change the director of football ten times and nobody would blink…but the constant hounding by the press we get means we aren’t allowed to change anything if it doesn’t fundamentally guarantee success, so we just carry on with the status quo and hope the players will up their game against Bournemouth or whatever… the reality is. The team are a Frankenstein bunch made up of four different managers ideas, and if we’re being honest, they were mostly their second or third choice options at that.. it needs starting from scratch, but I don’t think we’ll ever get it.
we’re a mid-table club now, with mid-table quality players…sometimes capable of going on a decent run if they’re up for it, that’s just the reality of the situation
It’s a bizarre position to be honest. The people below you don’t perform? Can’t get rid of them. People above you don’t perform? Their job is never questioned. You don’t perform? Out on your arse sharpish
I would have zero expectation that Potter would do any better than the previous managers tbh.
I don't like this idea. Not because I think Potter's a bad manager but he's not a big enough 'name' to command respect or fear amongst our seemingly practically unmanageable players.
We've seen several times how it's basically not possible for a manager to exert his authority on this dressing room. These players know that if they just decide to stop performing it'll be the manager that's out of the door, not them. Could you imagine Sancho pulling that stunt if SAF was in charge?
So how can any manager truly hope to succeed? Regardless of Potter's managerial abilities, he'd last ten seconds if he tried to make any 'difficult' decisions.
We've seen several times how it's basically not possible for a manager to exert his authority on this dressing room. These players know that if they just decide to stop performing it'll be the manager that's out of the door, not them. Could you imagine Sancho pulling that stunt if SAF was in charge?
So how can any manager truly hope to succeed? Regardless of Potter's managerial abilities, he'd last ten seconds if he tried to make any 'difficult' decisions.
Love a Chelsea reject, always works out well.
No, some people think that because we are a big club, top managers with their pick of choice will ignore well run setups elsewhere and come join us because of our history and prestige
No objections to him being given the chance. But, unfortunately I think his ship has sailed. He may have been the right man, but he came at the wrong time.
Can someone threadmark this post please? Just so we know what the actual source is.
We need another scapegoat so I'm all for this, Im getting fed up of blaming Ten Hag.
Terrible idea. It needs to be someone who has done something impressive and won something of note (think link Mou before he moved to Chelsea) instead of doing quite well. I thought this with Ten Hag, who let’s be honest had done well at a club De Boer had done well with.
There’s zero truth to this though. Where’s the evidence? The reality is that there really isn’t hardly any well proven top managers out there. Pep, Klopp and Ancelotti are the big three and there’s absolutely no chance of ever getting two of those and highly unlikely on Ancelotti too.
Take those three out and you have the same situation as what we had before, you have to take a chance on a manager that could potentially be great but has question marks. I’d imagine we could attract almost any manager outside of the three mentioned above if we really wanted them.
We couldn't get Xavi for example, probably cannot get Xabi either, or Arteta, or Simone. I imagine the list is MUCH longer than you think.
Potter after a few months and some difficult results: "I understand what United DNA is. The way I played at Brighton can NEVER be played here, we have to play fast, dynamic transitions and counter attack- the club's legacy and the players we have demand this".
None of those managers are top managers bar possibly Simeone and even he has question marks over him, they’re no different to Ten Hag, all come with question marks or a risk just like Ten Hag. That’s my point, there’s really hardly any true top class managers around now that guarantee success.
We couldn’t get these guys you say yet we’ve never gone for any of them so you’re basing it completely on your own opinion without anything to back it up. Arteta probably not as he manages one of our rivals in the league, very different but even then he’s done nothing to show he’s a top manager anyway.
This is either Sir Jim trying to be clever, ie lets tell the fans we are going after Potter so they all get behind Ten Hag and hoepfully it works out, or it's serious, and Potter is on a shortlist of one, and will be through the door pretty quickly.
Anyway Ten Hag still has my support.
Anyway Ten Hag still has my support.
I call BS on this story but if we do hire him we’re just setting up ourselves to fail again.
He'd be mad to take it, he'd just be stepping into the same problems that he had at Chelsea, a shit structure and shit owners. Maybe if SJR totally restructured the club it might make more sense.
EDIT: Having said that I'd like it if he did, I have a soft spot for Potter and the same for United.
Both Potter and De Zerbi have less of a managerial pedigree than Ten Hag. If either comes into the club under
After United finish 3rd in the CL group stages and go into Europa league "This is football heritage".
After United finish 3rd in the CL group stages and go into Europa league "This is football heritage".
Ridiculous if we sign Potter. It will be a new low , worse than O'Farrell and Moyes. If we sign him I'm leaving the caf and support United quietly hoping for a new return to sanity in the next few years.
So exactly like United then? Jim or no Jim he'll still have the albatross of the appalling United ownership around his neck, and he doesn't strike me as a manager with the brass to put up with dissenting players. I think this would be yet another poor appointment. But hey at least this time I'd have no expectations or optimism, so that's something I suppose
The fact not a lot of posters want him makes me think this is the right choice. We seem to be 100 percent wrong about everything else. ETH being a prime example.
OMG - Potter ? Thought things would change when INEOS takes over. We can't seem to get a break .
Now the Brexit parade starts. Will we ever make a right decision?
Now the Brexit parade starts. Will we ever make a right decision?
I would happily take him on a 18 month contract. I see very few negatives. The upside far if all goes well far outweighs the downside if it doesn't.
Frustrating how frequently we are linked to Chelsea outcasts - both players and managers. Not one has proven to be any good.
But he's In-ger-lish with an amazing 31% win rate at Brighton. Possibly appointed by someone who thought Brexit was a good idea.
The future could be very grim.
My point is we can't get top managers and a lot who are in the power level.
It would be kinda funny seeing a group of players who can't learn how to play a single system under any manager under the direction of one who prides himself on playing about seven a game.
It's almost a shame it's all nonsense. Some of their tiny little minds would explode!
It's almost a shame it's all nonsense. Some of their tiny little minds would explode!
I don't like this idea. Not because I think Potter's a bad manager but he's not a big enough 'name' to command respect or fear amongst our seemingly practically unmanageable players.
We've seen several times how it's basically not possible for a manager to exert his authority on this dressing room. These players know that if they just decide to stop performing it'll be the manager that's out of the door, not them. Could you imagine Sancho pulling that stunt if SAF was in charge?
So how can any manager truly hope to succeed? Regardless of Potter's managerial abilities, he'd last ten seconds if he tried to make any 'difficult' decisions.
They are not unmanageable. Look how better we played against Bayern with a formation that wasn't our usual four-one-do-what-the-feck-you-like.
He’s not remotely credible. If Jim’s big idea is to bring this dud in, God help us.
So true.
feck it, moon shot, but at this rate I'm sending in my CV.
Probably the sole argument for Potter.