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shamans said:
To own a gun you should have to pass an exam like a driver's license. Make it a little strict with an age limit and family references.

Then create a gun bust police arm sorta like ones that do drug raids. If you're caught with a gun without a license make it a jail sentences.

You must also renew your license every now and then.

I think this solution is one that can easily be passed.
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This is exactly what they do in Japan, all steps included.

If you get caught with an illegal gun over there, you can get locked for 10 years in one go. Because of that, not even the Yakuza want to try their luck with firearms.
 
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They would call you a gun grabbing Nazi and then quote “shall not be infringed” to you very loudly.
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Yep, unfortunately this current brand of "conservatives" which includes the Supreme Court is against any restrictions on guns. Hell, the Supreme Court told the city of Washington DC that they are not even allowed to mandate trigger locks while the gun is not in use. It's a massive uphill battle to make any changes that will survive both congress and the courts.
 

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I never this obsession over AR -15 . That's not the point. I dont think ARs vanishing would mean anything. You can inflict serious damage on a 9mm Glock as well.

It just feeds into the defensive pro gun mindset.

The real answer is to regulate guns. Obama said it best. We don't just buy any car and drive them around because "freedom". Of all things why are guns so void of regulation and control.

AR 15, Glocks, shotguns should be regulated. All of them
 

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calodo2003 said:
These guys are typically brilliant.
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It's the applause at the end that make it awesome. Special points for the couple where the husband obviously has missed the point and happily goes to put his arm around his wife who did not miss it (or just does not want to be touched by her husband)
 

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That was great. He just took it to the edge but brought them all onside again just in time. La Pierre was still a bit suspicious but it was too late, mic had already been dropped.

The movie Idiocracy got it wrong. Reality is a lot worse. :(
 

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What about this one, @Dr. Dwayne? Good, bad, indifferent?

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Solid. There have been problems in major cities across Canada with the rise of handgun use leading to violence and deaths, mostly because of gangs using their contacts from the United States to smuggle those in the country. It was necessary to provide the full legal frame for our law enforcement to go after true criminals buying or selling those handguns.
 

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calodo2003 said:
What about this one, @Dr. Dwayne? Good, bad, indifferent?

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More fluff, mate. Handguns are already tighhtly controlled. The police can take your guns away if you commit certain crimes such as assault, drug offences, and domestics. Every licence holder is reviewed against local police data daily. Almost all of what he's proposed is already in place.

With over a million legally owned handguns already out there you really have to ask what's the point? This is strictly optics. A better approach would be more checks at the border to combat smuggling and increased sentences for gun crimes but they already got rid of those because the gang bangers who commit 99% of our gun crime are from disadvantaged communities.
 

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RedDevilQuebecois said:
Solid. There have been problems in major cities across Canada with the rise of handgun use leading to violence and deaths, mostly because of gangs using their contacts from the United States to smuggle those in the country. It was necessary to provide the full legal frame for our law enforcement to go after true criminals buying or selling those handguns.
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Erm, possession of a firearm without a licence is already illegal in Canada.

Use of a handgun anywhere outside of an approved firing range is also illegal. They're for home and the range only, except in rare cases like a geologist who's working in bear country and even then you're unlikely to get that authorization.

Importing a firearm is a lengthy process. If it's from the US, a Canadian can't even bring it to the border (US law). The seller brings it to the border, CBSA checks the paper work and makes sure it's the gun that was approved and you take possession of it in Canada.

Justin is purely looking for votes. If he wants to keep Canadians safe he'd bring back mandatory minimum sentences for gun crimes but he needs the votes from the communities where the gang members come from. Instead he's repacking laws that already exist, relying on Canadian's ignorance about our gun laws and basking in the plaudits for doing sweet feck all.

No one has asked how this will impact armored car and other security services, either but Justin doesn't think that far ahead. It's about votes and impressing his horse faced girlfriend from New Zealand.
 

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Dr. Dwayne said:
Erm, possession of a firearm without a licence is already illegal in Canada.

Use of a handgun anywhere outside of an approved firing range is also illegal. They're for home and the range only, except in rare cases like a geologist who's working in bear country and even then you're unlikely to get that authorization.

Importing a firearm is a lengthy process. If it's from the US, a Canadian can't even bring it to the border (US law). The seller brings it to the border, CBSA checks the paper work and makes sure it's the gun that was approved and you take possession of it in Canada.

Justin is purely looking for votes. If he wants to keep Canadians safe he'd bring back mandatory minimum sentences for gun crimes but he needs the votes from the communities where the gang members come from. Instead he's repacking laws that already exist, relying on Canadian's ignorance about our gun laws and basking in the plaudits for doing sweet feck all.

No one has asked how this will impact armored car and other security services, either but Justin doesn't think that far ahead. It's about votes and impressing his horse faced girlfriend from New Zealand.
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There's exceptions to the rule for security guards, elite sports people etc.

It's less about vote gathering, more about stopping the issue getting out of hand a la USA
 

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Champ said:
There's exceptions to the rule for security guards, elite sports people etc.

It's less about vote gathering, more about stopping the issue getting out of hand a la USA
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No, sorry it's all about optics and vote gathering.

I live in Canada, have both firearms licences and have read the Firearms Act and section of the Criminal Code pertaining to firearms multiple times. This new legislation does nothing to keep Canadians safer and there is no possibility of the situation getting out of hand a la the US because of our existing gun control program.

Justin Trudeau has instead reduced the safety of Canadians from gun violence by removing mandatory minimum sentences for serious offences.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department...ndatory-minimum-penalties-to-be-repealed.html

MMPs that would be repealed under Bill C-5
Criminal Code

The reforms to MMPs would only apply to certain offences, and would not limit the ability of a judge to impose a sentence of imprisonment, particularly where doing so is necessary to protect the safety of the public.

To address the overincarceration rate of Indigenous peoples, as well as Black and marginalized Canadians, MMPs for the following offences would be repealed:
  • Using a firearm or imitation firearm in commission of offence (two separate offences)
    • Paragraphs 85(3)(a) and (b): MMPs of 1 year (first offence) and 3 years (second and subsequent offence)
  • Possession of firearm or weapon knowing its possession is unauthorized (two separate offences)
    • Paragraphs 92(3)(b) and (c): MMP of 1 year (second offence) and 2 years less a day (third and subsequent offence)
  • Possession of prohibited or restricted firearm with ammunition
    • Paragraphs 95(2)(i) and (ii): MMPs of 3 years (first offence) and 5 years (second and subsequent offence)
  • Possession of weapon obtained by commission of offence
    • Paragraph 96(2)(a): MMP of 1 year
  • Weapons trafficking (excluding firearms and ammunition)
    • Subsection 99(3): MMP of 1 year
  • Possession for purpose of weapons trafficking (excluding firearms and ammunition)
    • Subsection 100(3): MMP of 1 year
  • Importing or exporting knowing it is unauthorized
    • Subsection 103(2.1): MMP of 1 year
  • Discharging firearm with intent
    • Paragraph 244(2)(b): MMP of 4 years
  • Discharging firearm — recklessness
    • Paragraph 244.2(3)(b): MMP of 4 years
  • Robbery with a firearm
    • Paragraph 344(1)(a.1): MMP of 4 years
  • Extortion with a firearm
    • Paragraph 346(1.1)(a.1): MMP of 4 years
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Dr. Dwayne said:
No, sorry it's all about optics and vote gathering.

I live in Canada, have both firearms licences and have read the Firearms Act and section of the Criminal Code pertaining to firearms multiple times. This new legislation does nothing to keep Canadians safer and there is no possibility of the situation getting out of hand a la the US because of our existing gun control program.

Justin Trudeau has instead reduced the safety of Canadians from gun violence by removing mandatory minimum sentences for serious offences.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department...ndatory-minimum-penalties-to-be-repealed.html
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So you'd be happy to accept an MMP if you incorrectly stored your firearm accidentally?
Are you also willing to accept the official line that this bill is to assist minorities and other vulnerable social groups?

I don't really see this as softening an approach, moreso streamlining the approach, just because a MMP isn't an option, does not mean the perpetrator won't get the same punishment.
 

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Champ said:
So you'd be happy to accept an MMP if you incorrectly stored your firearm accidentally?
Are you also willing to accept the official line that this bill is to assist minorities and other vulnerable social groups?

I don't really see this as softening an approach, moreso streamlining the approach, just because a MMP isn't an option, does not mean the perpetrator won't get the same punishment.
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Yep, although that's unlikely as inspections are usuaully at the discretion of the individual. If the CFO of Ontario showed up at my door today without a warrant I can say it's a bad time can you come back tomorrow and they are obliged to honour that request. Anyway, I store all my firearms unloaded, trigger locked, in a gun safe as per the regulations, even the non-restricted ones that don't necessarily require that so I'm not worried.

That said storage offences aren't part of the list above. And as a legal gun owner you can bet I'll be nailed to the wall for the slightest indiscretion while the violent offenders with no regard for the law or the safety of others walk after the few weeks served in custody while they go through the courts.
 

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They tried everything since Uvalde and yet guns remain the common denominator that the GOP still don't want to talk about.

Porn, really? I call that graphic sexual education in the right minds rather than a problem.
 

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RedDevilQuebecois said:
They tried everything since Uvalde and yet guns remain the common denominator that the GOP still don't want to talk about.

Porn, really? I call that graphic sexual education in the right minds rather than a problem.
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That list is missing atheists. That's a big one they are promoting (not enough god).
 

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It's amazing to me that objections to gun control haven't been legally ripped to shreds on at least three counts based on the actual wording the of the 2nd amendment: a "well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State ...":

1) With around 400 million guns in circulation in the USA, gun ownership can hardly be said to be "well regulated".

2) Most private citizens are NOT part of a militia.

3) Citizen ownership of guns is today NOT necessary for "the security of a free State" ... I'm sure the US military is more than capable of providing such security.
 
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