Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

jm99 said:
His appointment of managers isn't great, he got rid of mourinho right before a cup final which was really odd. I think Woodward would have gotten pelters for hiring mourinho at that time after his spell with us, and would have been criticised for appointing conte at the time spurs did. They managed to make the CL spots fairly regularly thanks to kane and son, they're based in London, and the TV rights money has been pouring in while they've been making top 4. Despite this they seem to have made very few genuinely successful signings.
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Exactly. And he got lucky a few times. Almost getting rid of Bale who the turned superhuman out of nowhere, the emergence of Kane out of nowhere (he had absolutely no youth pedigree when he exploded on the scene) and Pochettino working out far beyond what could ever have been expected have been pivotal in allowing him to realise his ambition of a cheese room within the (still unnamed?) Spurs stadium.

But his displays of machismo in the transfer market are most idiotic. He genuinely doesn't understand time value of money and doesn't understand that receiving £35m at the start of the summer window for a Spurs player is better than receiving £40m at the end of a transfer window when you have to turn around and panic overspend on dross. Time and again this moron acts all tough in the transfer market to the detriment of his team but the benefit of his ego. Like I said earlier, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him refuse to accept a reasonable bid for Kane this summer and watch horrified as he walks on a free in 2024.
 
BerryBerryShrew said:
Exactly. And he got lucky a few times. Almost getting rid of Bale who the turned superhuman out of nowhere, the emergence of Kane out of nowhere (he had absolutely no youth pedigree when he exploded on the scene) and Pochettino working out far beyond what could ever have been expected have been pivotal in allowing him to realise his ambition of a cheese room within the (still unnamed?) Spurs stadium.

But his displays of machismo in the transfer market are most idiotic. He genuinely doesn't understand time value of money and doesn't understand that receiving £35m at the start of the summer window for a Spurs player is better than receiving £40m at the end of a transfer window when you have to turn around and panic overspend on dross. Time and again this moron acts all tough in the transfer market to the detriment of his team but the benefit of his ego. Like I said earlier, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him refuse to accept a reasonable bid for Kane this summer and watch horrified as he walks on a free in 2024.
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CEOs/Owners are weird to judge. On one hand the buck stop with them in terms of final high end football decisions. On the other hand the job is so loaded (ex being financial savvy, deciding on whether to stick to the manager etc) that makes it almost impossible for a guy not to be blindsided at one point. Take Martin Edwards as an example. The guy was responsible in turning United into a financial juggernaut, he stuck to SAF when no one did and he invested heavily on the infrastructure (stadium etc). Martin was a catalyst in turning United from a football club who was living yesterday's dream into a financial juggernaut and a world brand. Yet his mistakes (or potential mistakes) were also terrible. He repeatedly tried to sell United to anyone not acknowledging the gold mine he was sitting upon. He refused to sanction Gabriel Batistuta's deal who would have absolutely owned the EPL of the time, he would have made United win at least 1 other CL and would have made us the brand we are now years ahead of when we actually did. Finally he refused to give SAF's the pay rise he was asking for even though the latter threatened of leaving the club. SAF remained at the club simply because George Graham was kind enough to lent his contract to Sir Alex who then used it as proof that the payrise he was asking wasn't as crazy as Edwards thought. Basically we owe a big chunk of our legacy to a former Arsenal manager

Levy had made mistakes. However he is one of the top CEOs in the game. He turned Spurs from the suckers of football into a very decent team and that was done through a mix of shrewd signings and a change of policy (expecially on the transfer market). Then again, one has to take the club he operates in within the context of what it is. Its the third biggest team in a city whose nowhere near among the football giants in the UK let alone the the world. In fact the entire city has won as many CLs as Nottingham Forest won and just 1 more then Aston Villa did. Needless to say that those 2 CLs weren't won by Spurs.
 
devilish said:
CEOs/Owners are weird to judge. On one hand the buck stop with them in terms of final high end football decisions. On the other hand the job is so loaded (ex being financial savvy, deciding on whether to stick to the manager etc) that makes it almost impossible for a guy not to be blindsided at one point. Take Martin Edwards as an example. The guy was responsible in turning United into a financial juggernaut, he stuck to SAF when no one did and he invested heavily on the infrastructure (stadium etc). Martin was a catalyst in turning United from a football club who was living yesterday's dream into a financial juggernaut and a world brand. Yet his mistakes (or potential mistakes) were also terrible. He repeatedly tried to sell United to anyone not acknowledging the gold mine he was sitting upon. He refused to sanction Gabriel Batistuta's deal who would have absolutely owned the EPL of the time, he would have made United win at least 1 other CL and would have made us the brand we are now years ahead of when we actually did. Finally he refused to give SAF's the pay rise he was asking for even though the latter threatened of leaving the club. SAF remained at the club simply because George Graham was kind enough to lent his contract to Sir Alex who then used it as proof that the payrise he was asking wasn't as crazy as Edwards thought. Basically we owe a big chunk of our legacy to a former Arsenal manager

Levy had made mistakes. However he is one of the top CEOs in the game. He turned Spurs from the suckers of football into a very decent team and that was done through a mix of shrewd signings and a change of policy (expecially on the transfer market). Then again, one has to take the club he operates in within the context of what it is. Its the third biggest team in a city whose nowhere near among the football giants in the UK let alone the the world. In fact the entire city has won as many CLs as Nottingham Forest won and just 1 more then Aston Villa did. Needless to say that those 2 CLs weren't won by Spurs.
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"Basically we owe a big chunk of our legacy to a former Arsenal manager" - which is kind of ironic but he's also a former United player which often escapes peoples' memory
 
Red in STL said:
"Basically we owe a big chunk of our legacy to a former Arsenal manager" - which is kind of ironic but he's also a former United player which often escapes peoples' memory
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True although he only stayed at the club for just 2 years. What more important is that at the time I am referring to he was Arsenal's former manager. We owe a big chunk of our legacy to a man who was outside Manchester United and who was paid to advance Arsenal's interest. If you ask me it was a rare show of football sportsmanship indeed.
 
devilish said:
True although he only stayed at the club for just 2 years. What more important is that at the time I am referring to he was Arsenal's former manager. We owe a big chunk of our legacy to a man who was outside Manchester United and who was paid to advance Arsenal's interest. If you ask me it was a rare show of football sportsmanship indeed.
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Fair enough - managers have always tended to stick together, probably wouldn't happen in today's world given the media climate and such like
 
jm99 said:
Is he? They managed to get kane and son for a combined 22m, but they really haven't capitalised off of having two of the best attackers in the league, when they leave or decline (which is going to be the next couple of seasons, spurs will drift back towards midtable away from the top 6
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For sure. He took a side with a mid tier budget to a firm big 6 team, broken into the conversation with the historical giants who had the big advantage financially in the past and the oil rich teams, without themselves being an oil rich team. Then he built their stadium which will ensure bigger profits and the rise of the club for years to come.

Sure everyone gets lucky with some players or managers now and then, but nobody can actually criticize Levy for how he's run Spurs. Footballing wise they may be bottlers, but as a club, he's turned broken into the top tier as a regular CL side and has given them the financial base to ensure they remain in that group even with some bad years here and there. Spurs shouldn't be judged as a failure for not winning trophies, that's what the fans/players/managers want but from his perspective, that's not what constitutes success. Leicester won a league and an FA Cup, their fans were living the dream but are back to being a mediocre side now. Fans would trade spots sure, but no owner would trade the past 10 years of Leicester with the past 10 years of Spurs.
 
Martial + £50m?

Or Martial + Maguire + £55m?

Surely they'll accept one of those.
 
Is this thread wishful thinking or have I missed something? Are there any indications or actual sources that United are going to go for Kane this summer? I suppose that will eat up an absolute chunk of our budget with little left if we are to get him
 
Imagine Kane dropping deep, looking at his shoulder seeing his old teammate Eriksen, play a one-two and then firing a through ball to Bruno, who predictably is running like a mad man into the striker position to score.
 
bosnian_red said:
For sure. He took a side with a mid tier budget to a firm big 6 team, broken into the conversation with the historical giants who had the big advantage financially in the past and the oil rich teams, without themselves being an oil rich team. Then he built their stadium which will ensure bigger profits and the rise of the club for years to come.

Sure everyone gets lucky with some players or managers now and then, but nobody can actually criticize Levy for how he's run Spurs. Footballing wise they may be bottlers, but as a club, he's turned broken into the top tier as a regular CL side and has given them the financial base to ensure they remain in that group even with some bad years here and there. Spurs shouldn't be judged as a failure for not winning trophies, that's what the fans/players/managers want but from his perspective, that's not what constitutes success. Leicester won a league and an FA Cup, their fans were living the dream but are back to being a mediocre side now. Fans would trade spots sure, but no owner would trade the past 10 years of Leicester with the past 10 years of Spurs.
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I'm not ayaing he's abysmal but they were incredibly lucky to get a combination like kane and son, plus £100m for bale, at a time when tv rights have been going crazy. They should have been able to solidify themselves as top 4, instead they look like drifting back from the pack. I mean Newcastle obviously have massive amounts of wealth but they've only really spent about £200m since the takeover and they're looking like top 4 material, they had a team that was looking certain for relegation before the takeover. Spurs really should have been able to push on from their period of comparative success but instead they look as though they're moving backwards
 
SATA said:
Is this thread wishful thinking or have I missed something? Are there any indications or actual sources that United are going to go for Kane this summer? I suppose that will eat up an absolute chunk of our budget with little left if we are to get him
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There are no indications that United or going all out for any player, but it's fairly obvious that we need a no.9, which is why we got Weghorst on loan

Kane is one of the possible options that fit the criteria of what we need, he's probably attainable given that he's 1 year out from walking away from Spurs for nothing if chooses to do that

As for the budget, the other options being discussed in the CAF forums are likely to cost even more though may or may not have a longer term benefit
 
SATA said:
Is this thread wishful thinking or have I missed something? Are there any indications or actual sources that United are going to go for Kane this summer? I suppose that will eat up an absolute chunk of our budget with little left if we are to get him
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It's one of them where all reports and logic are saying Kane will leave with 1 year left on his contract and Spurs not getting CL football this year, so they will sell before he leaves on free especially as they'll need a rebuild anyway post Conte, Son decline etc. Then you move to point 2 where Kane is 62 goals away from Shearer's record of being all time top PL goalscorer which is a priority for him according to many people (even Poch said it I think). So then out of PL sides:
  • City have Haaland
  • Liverpool spent 100m on Darwin
  • Arsenal and Chelsea are local rivals/Arsenal spent relatively big on Jesus who is class and Chelsea are a shambles
  • Newcastle are nowhere near the size/reputation/pull of United
  • United have no striker and a young attack so an experienced star up front makes sense, we have sorted ourselves out and will be in the CL next year with a great style of play finally that appeals to players, fellow world class players like Casemiro and Varane, and are close enough in performances and results where you feel an actual top striker like Kane would genuinely bridge the gap where we can properly compete for the PL and the CL. United will be interested in Osimhen who Napoli will demand over 100m for but also who would be a risk in terms of how they adapt to the PL/just how well he fits, or we spend less than that and get Kane who is a guarantee in the Prem, sure not super long term but plenty of time left to match Casemiro, Bruno and Varane's time left at the top IMO
Its one that just makes sense on pretty much every level and I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen.
 
bosnian_red said:
It's one of them where all reports and logic are saying Kane will leave with 1 year left on his contract and Spurs not getting CL football this year, so they will sell before he leaves on free especially as they'll need a rebuild anyway post Conte, Son decline etc. Then you move to point 2 where Kane is 62 goals away from Shearer's record of being all time top PL goalscorer which is a priority for him according to many people (even Poch said it I think). So then out of PL sides:
  • City have Haaland
  • Liverpool spent 100m on Darwin
  • Arsenal and Chelsea are local rivals/Arsenal spent relatively big on Jesus who is class and Chelsea are a shambles
  • Newcastle are nowhere near the size/reputation/pull of United
  • United have no striker and a young attack so an experienced star up front makes sense, we have sorted ourselves out and will be in the CL next year with a great style of play finally that appeals to players, fellow world class players like Casemiro and Varane, and are close enough in performances and results where you feel an actual top striker like Kane would genuinely bridge the gap where we can properly compete for the PL and the CL. United will be interested in Osimhen who Napoli will demand over 100m for but also who would be a risk in terms of how they adapt to the PL/just how well he fits, or we spend less than that and get Kane who is a guarantee in the Prem, sure not super long term but plenty of time left to match Casemiro, Bruno and Varane's time left at the top IMO
Its one that just makes sense on pretty much every level and I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen.
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Bayern maybe an option for him but I agree, he wants Shearer's record so we must be favourites but you can't discount Newcastle, he can get the goals there and they could pay more for him and also pay him more than United would
 
Red in STL said:
Bayern maybe an option for him but I agree, he wants Shearer's record so we must be favourites but you can't discount Newcastle, he can get the goals there and they could pay more for him and also pay him more than United would
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Personally would be shocked if he went to Newcastle, he isn't leaving Spurs for money, it's for seriously competing for the biggest trophies in the immediate next 3 years. United look like they are a Harry Kane away from that. Newcastle have a good trajectory going for them, but they are further away and from Kanes POV, that would be a sideways move for money only as his peak wouldn't intertwine with them succeeding.

Bayern definitely an option, but yeah the Shearer thing is worth more than guaranteed Bundesliga titles IMO. Does far more for his legacy anyway.
 
bosnian_red said:
Personally would be shocked if he went to Newcastle, he isn't leaving Spurs for money, it's for seriously competing for the biggest trophies in the immediate next 3 years. United look like they are a Harry Kane away from that. Newcastle have a good trajectory going for them, but they are further away and from Kanes POV, that would be a sideways move for money only as his peak wouldn't intertwine with them succeeding.

Bayern definitely an option, but yeah the Shearer thing is worth more than guaranteed Bundesliga titles IMO. Does far more for his legacy anyway.
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With the Saudi money there's no reason to think Newcastle won't be challenging next season for trophies, they have the ability to go and buy 4 or 5 top class players if they wanted to
 
Please no. I know he’s not ancient but I really want us to go for a younger player so we can actually hopefully have continuity. I’m fine with it if we get new owners and they are happy to replace him in 2 years or so. Otherwise no.
 
Red in STL said:
With the Saudi money there's no reason to think Newcastle won't be challenging next season for trophies, they have the ability to go and buy 4 or 5 top class players if they wanted to
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Newcastle can't simply spend 500m in one window like Chelsea can. And they still have to work towards attracting players. Sure, in the next few years they might begin to start challenging. Kane needs to seriously challenge right away. Newcastle are doing well and look like they'll get top 4. But they also don't play a system that can really make the step up to compete. They also have 0 distractions. They are getting the absolute max out right now and will need to revamp their system if they want to eventually challenge, which they will, but it's a process to get there. Kane is looking for next season, and the 2 seasons after that. He'll want to challenge for every trophy, in each of those seasons. He doesn't want to be part of another project, he wants to be the final piece of the puzzle essentially. That's why I don't see Newcastle as a serious prospect for him. He's stayed loyal to Spurs for years while they were in a better position than what Spurs in now. They are a few years away from being able to attract guys like Kane.
 
BluesJr said:
Please no. I know he’s not ancient but I really want us to go for a younger player so we can actually hopefully have continuity. I’m fine with it if we get new owners and they are happy to replace him in 2 years or so. Otherwise no.
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I have hard time seeing this one go through. A Spurs "legend" and with Daniel Leevy there, and the money they're after. I think we'll end up with an alternative.
 
BluesJr said:
Please no. I know he’s not ancient but I really want us to go for a younger player so we can actually hopefully have continuity. I’m fine with it if we get new owners and they are happy to replace him in 2 years or so. Otherwise no.
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Think about it though. We have Casemiro, Bruno and Varane who are absolutely key at a similar age to Kane. They'll all have a similar amount of time left at the top level (3-5 years the way they play, depending on injuries). We need to maximize this next few year period while we have world class guys that will be very hard to replace, while we can. Maximizing that is getting Kane rather than getting another project. You can't always think long term, you have to think long term until your squad is at a point where you are close to challenging. We are literally a Harry Kane away from challenging, so we can't waste that opportunity. You work on the continuity after him in the following windows while he is still here of course (Sesko is joining Leipzig this summer for example, he could stay there for 3 years and we sign him once Kane declines for example).
 
BluesJr said:
Please no. I know he’s not ancient but I really want us to go for a younger player so we can actually hopefully have continuity. I’m fine with it if we get new owners and they are happy to replace him in 2 years or so. Otherwise no.
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Hes going to age ike Lewa. Guys going to be banging them in for some more seasons yet regardless of club.
 
Yes please, he’d be perfect in a ETH team in my opinion and will score/assist goals galore.
 
And there are the real links now... it's a no brainer from all parties to be honest. I feel like it's inevitable to happen. The ultimate SAF type move to get us up into that elite tier. So hard to get an truly world class attacker (as we've seen...), getting one like Kane, where he fits so perfectly is just something we simply have to do. That's how we bridge the gap to City and Arsenal and the elite CL sides and make the most of Casemiro and Varane as well.

The way he plays too, his technique with his control, passing, shooting and his movement off the ball, not relying on his pace but more his intelligence for me have the hall marks of a player that can play to a very high level without dropping much until his mid 30's. He's not someone who will be used to be the threat in behind, he'll be holding up the ball, linking up, playing the ball to Rashford making those runs (or one of our other pacey wide players), while he still moves into the right positions to get the easy goals too. Getting that all round striker who will score loads but also provide loads to our overall play is what we need (what everyone needs really, but so hard to find). Prefer that to Osimhen who is more of a poacher and wouldn't get the most out of Rashford IMO.
 
Not surprising at all. A player of Kane's quality doesn't become available every day and the pool of good strikers on the market is tiny at the moment.
 
VP89 said:
Hes going to age ike Lewa. Guys going to be banging them in for some more seasons yet regardless of club.
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Yup. Look at the all round strikers in the world right now. The guys who are elite scores but also elite technically, who know how to hold up the ball and drop deep, link up properly and have never been guys who relied on their pace or agility. Lewandowski, Benzema, Dzeko are the pretty much the only guys who are comparable to Kane. All 3 have been elite for years, and have produced the goods well into their mid 30's. No reason why Kane can't do the same.

Van Persie struggled massively with injuries his whole career (muscular injuries), and was an explosive player. So his decline was different (but either way, who wouldn't pay whatever is required if we would get RvP's 2012/13 level in?). Cavani kept it up until his early to mid 30's, but struggled with injuries the past 2 years (33-35). Ibrahimovic was world class until his ACL tear at 36.
 
CM10 said:
Not surprising at all. A player of Kane's quality doesn't become available every day and the pool of good strikers on the market is tiny at the moment.
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Even more so is the pool of all round strikers. There's some younger poachers out there like Haaland, Darwin, Osimhen, but none of them are the types of strikers that Lewandowski, Benzema, Dzeko and Kane have been throughout their careers (and none have that potential). It's such a rare player in current day football.
 
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