Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

[sullydnl]

Where are those Kane xA stats from? The site I’m looking at has him at 9.82, 7.58 and 7.47 which looks far more sensible. An xA improvement would be expected by a CF playing in a much more dominant team as well.

Son, by comparison, is 9.51, 7.85 and 5.89, suggesting that (as I indicated) it’s slightly more that Kane produces for him than the other way around.

Fbref.

Though they do also have an xAG stat (as distinct from xA) which is slightly closer to your numbers (7.1, 9.1, 6.9). And in fairness, as I look at the definitions that stat does look more relevant when comparing to assists.

Even with that though, I think the key takeaway is that Kane's 14 assist season was an outlier. You're more realistically looking at an average of approx. 7 or 8 assists from him a season, assuming he maintains the level of the last few seasons.

There's also a question as to how the change in team dynamic would impact that sort of relationship. By which I mean we're simply not going to funnel our attacks through Kane/Rashford to the same degree that Spurs did Kane/Son, as we have other creative outlets like Bruno and Eriksen in the mix that Spurs didn't.

And as I mentioned above, that Kane/Son dynamic was heavily transition dependent, in a side that averaged less possession that we do. We're trying to move away from relying on that sort of counter attacking football, so that Kane/Son attack isn't one to emulate. We don't want to attack like Spurs.

 

[Doracle]

Fbref.

Though they do also have an xAG stat (as distinct from xA) which is slightly closer to your numbers (7.1, 9.1, 6.9). And in fairness, as I look at the definitions that stat does look more relevant when comparing to assists.

Even with that though, I think the key takeaway is that Kane's 14 assist season was an outlier. You're more realistically looking at an average of approx. 7 or 8 assists from him a season, assuming he maintains the level of the last few seasons.

There's also a question as to how the change in team dynamic would impact that sort of relationship. By which I mean we're simply not going to funnel our attacks through Kane/Rashford to the same degree that Spurs did Kane/Son, as we have other creative outlets like Bruno and Eriksen in the mix that Spurs didn't.

And as I mentioned above, that Kane/Son dynamic was heavily transition dependent, in a side that averaged less possession that we do. We're trying to move away from relying on that sort of counter attacking football, so that Kane/Son attack isn't one to emulate.

My point about Kane and Son was primarily aimed at the poster who was suggesting that Rashford would have to change his game and start whipping crosses in for Kane. I’m certainly not suggesting that we would play exactly like Spurs. That said, if you have Rashford in your team then you are always going to be a counter-attack threat and I see no reason why it’s a bad thing to have a CF with the vision to find him when we are on the break.

In fact, one of the key reasons why I have a preference for Kane over some of the other options is that he best suits a possession based team. His hold up play and passing ability should enable us to have far more possession that is the case with the current blank space that is our CF position.

 

[croadyman]

You're right. I confused myself! I still think that we won't present the most attractive option next year and so, personally, would have a go at 80 million this year if it secures a signature. He's a worldbeater and would transform us.

Yeah my thoughts too

 

[Red in STL]

There seems to be a very firm opinion that Kane will cost 100 million this summer, where did that figure come from?

I doubt Spurs have ever said gives those smackaroo's and you can have him!

 

[Rolaholic]

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[sullydnl]

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Leaving aside anything else, I find it near impossible to imagine a scenario where Spurs quickly sell Kane to United for a reasonable price.

 

[2 man midfield]

If this happens, it happens on deadline day and with our pants around our ankles.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

would be nice if united went in with an offer of like 65 or maybe 70. Said heres our offer, take it our leave it. Then if Levy wants to Levy we just walk away and move to other targets. Absolutely cannot waste time on a saga while our other options get transferred around

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Genuine question - How would we make a huge signing like this with the Glazers still in charge?

It's in the Glazer's interests to keep money in the club ahead of a potential sale or investment

 

[L1nk]

Genuine question - How would we make a huge signing like this with the Glazers still in charge?

It's in the Glazer's interests to keep money in the club ahead of a potential sale or investment

I would assume there is money for United to do a deal or two with the Glazers still here, but we need clarification on the ownership as a whole to plan out the entire summer. As in, maybe we could make an offer and sign a player like Kane now, but without knowing the ownership situation we don't know what we can do beyond this

 

[croadyman]

would be nice if united went in with an offer of like 65 or maybe 70. Said heres our offer, take it our leave it. Then if Levy wants to Levy we just walk away and move to other targets. Absolutely cannot waste time on a saga while our other options get transferred around

Yeah this is exactly the right strategy

 

[Siorac]

Genuine question - How would we make a huge signing like this with the Glazers still in charge?

It's in the Glazer's interests to keep money in the club ahead of a potential sale or investment

Yeah I don't think a major transfer happens before the sale is concluded.

If it drags on through the summer, we'll have a very frustrating transfer window.

 

[Dazzmondo]

Most obviously perfect signing I've seen since RVP. Get it done early. Personally don't think it will take £100m but considering some players we've overpaid for in recent years, this would be one case where the overpaying would 100% be worth it. He might not guarantee a league title (nobody can because City still exists) but he'd make us their closest challengers imo.

 

[croadyman]

Most obviously perfect signing I've seen since RVP. Get it done early. Personally don't think it will take £100m but considering some players we've overpaid for in recent years, this would be one case where the overpaying would 100% be worth it. He might not guarantee a league title (nobody can because City still exists) but he'd make us their closest challengers imo.

Yeah I am very confident he won't be the only signing this summer,just might take a while for us to get going with ownership situation

 

[groovyalbert]

Spurs would surely want to sort out their replacement(s) for Kane before selling.

They'd be in a shite negotiating position if they sold quickly and then went our to fix their issues.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Would be an unreal signing. Really hope it happens.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

Spurs would surely want to sort out their replacement(s) for Kane before selling.

They'd be in a shite negotiating position if they sold quickly and then went our to fix their issues.

by same token if they spend decent money bringing in a striker that selling team knows they are trying to replace kane, so not really that much better for their negotiating strength. Then we would know as well that theyve spent decent money bringing in kane's replacement so why would we now overspend for a player they clearly plan on moving on from? They would still have richarlison/son as well if im not mistaken, so would be obvious they wouldnt want to carry richarlison/son/kane replacement/and kane.

 

[Karel Podolsky]

would be nice if united went in with an offer of like 65 or maybe 70. Said heres our offer, take it our leave it. Then if Levy wants to Levy we just walk away and move to other targets. Absolutely cannot waste time on a saga while our other options get transferred around

That's already wasting time

 

[groovyalbert]

by same token if they spend decent money bringing in a striker that selling team knows they are trying to replace kane, so not really that much better for their negotiating strength. Then we would know as well that theyve spent decent money bringing in kane's replacement so why would we now overspend for a player they clearly plan on moving on from? They would still have richarlison/son as well if im not mistaken, so would be obvious they wouldnt want to carry richarlison/son/kane replacement/and kane.

Hmm maybe. Although I imagine they'd follow a similar structure to how they spent the Bale money before officially selling. I think it's a good soundbite to put out that we won't be sucked into a drawn out negotiating period.

I think there's a chance Martial ends up at Spurs if Kane heads this way.

 

[croadyman]

Hmm maybe. Although I imagine they'd follow a similar structure to how they spent the Bale money before officially selling. I think it's a good soundbite to put out that we won't be sucked into a drawn out negotiating period.

I think there's a chance Martial ends up at Spurs if Kane heads this way.

Are they actually still interested

 

[FujiVice]

Mbappe, Rashford, Kane. Let me dream.

 

[awop]

Hmm maybe. Although I imagine they'd follow a similar structure to how they spent the Bale money before officially selling. I think it's a good soundbite to put out that we won't be sucked into a drawn out negotiating period.

I think there's a chance Martial ends up at Spurs if Kane heads this way.

They need Kane's money to rebuild pretty much everything behind that attack. I think they would be fine (as in get top 5/6) if they stuck with Richarlison/Son/Kulusevski next year but spent it all on GK/CB/CM + some rotation option on the wings that are not named Lucas Moura.

 

[croadyman]

Mbappe, Rashford, Kane. Let me dream.

Supposed to be interested in him on a free next summer but Madrid are surely favourites

 

[Red in STL]

If this happens, it happens on deadline day and with our pants around our ankles.

It better not ALL happen, Mason Mount WTF

 

[Remember the geese]

This will be the 2023 version of De Jong. Think it could happen though but not for a penny less than £100m.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

People really disregarding the fact that Kane at Spurs has had a comparable season to Haaland at City. He’s scored in more games, playing for a far worse team.

Certainly not pretending he’s at the same level or owt. Haaland has been phenomenal. But Kane has had a brilliant season.

 

[Rojofiam]

People really disregarding the fact that Kane at Spurs has had a comparable season to Haaland at City. He’s scored in more games, playing for a far worse team.

Certainly not pretending he’s at the same level or owt. Haaland has been phenomenal. But Kane has had a brilliant season.

Kane would score more goals for City than Haaland would for Spurs. That's not to say Kane is better or the same level, but put him in an elite side and he guarantees 30 PL goals a season IMO.

 

[AlexiV]

We’ve never seen a team win four PL titles in a row so let’s assume next season delivers a title winner that is not City. Now is the time for it to be us. We need to go all-in this window and signing Kane would be a great start.

 

[Adnan]

If Tottenham have any sense they'll sell him quickly and focus on their new head coach's ideals when it comes to implementing his tactics. And that coach looks to be Arne Slot, who is a excellent coach who develops teams to dominate games. And one player it looks like he will bring to Spurs is Orkun Kokcu, if reports in Holland are anything to go by.

It would be silly of Spurs to drag this out because all they'll be doing is hampering their head coach from developing the team. Unless the plan is to keep Kane and allow him to run his contract down.

 

[Kag]

Yeah I know a bloke that scored 30 in 48 that is available for free in a year.

Great. I can’t wait for another season of pissing around in fourth and fifth while we wait.

 

[Kag]

Are those goals worth £100m to us if they don't fire us to a major trophy next season? Kane could come in, score 25 goals and not win anything.

Kane might be the best goalscorer we can get right now but he's not turning this team from being 3rd or 4th best in the country to champions on his own.

He gets us a damn sight closer than we are. And a damn sight closer than we would be with one of those fellas scoring eight goals in Serie A.

 

[Dorris]

People really disregarding the fact that Kane at Spurs has had a comparable season to Haaland at City. He’s scored in more games, playing for a far worse team.

Certainly not pretending he’s at the same level or owt. Haaland has been phenomenal. But Kane has had a brilliant season.

Kane is definitely on Haaland’s level for me. Put Kane in that City team and he puts up similar numbers.

 

[LordSpud]

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Reads to me like there's a change of ownership

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Are those goals worth £100m to us if they don't fire us to a major trophy next season? Kane could come in, score 25 goals and not win anything.

Kane might be the best goalscorer we can get right now but he's not turning this team from being 3rd or 4th best in the country to champions on his own.

Hand on heart, do you think we are able to sign enough players of a high enough quality to challenge next year? I think that’s fantasy.

Unless we spend £30-50 on a keeper, £50m on a right back, £50m on a centre half, £80m on a CM and £80-100 on a CF.

Thats £290-£310m.

We’re then relying on every single one of those players to slot straight in and hit the ground running, AND our existing players to stay fit and in form. For a whole season.

No chance. An identical season to this, with ten additional PL points is probably our best expectation.

 

[Cloud7]

Why on earth would we be interested in Mason Mount. That bit alone makes that story not believable

 

[CM]

Hand on heart, do you think we are able to sign enough players of a high enough quality to challenge next year? I think that’s fantasy.

Unless we spend £30-50 on a keeper, £50m on a right back, £50m on a centre half, £80m on a CM and £80-100 on a CF.

Thats £290-£310m.

We’re then relying on every single one of those players to slot straight in and hit the ground running, AND our existing players to stay fit and in form. For a whole season.

No chance. An identical season to this, with ten additional PL points is probably our best expectation.

No I don't, but that's the point. Why pay a £100m premium to sign a player who we could sign as a free agent the year following? Use the budget on players who will take us closer and then get Kane as the cherry on top later.

 

[Rojofiam]

Said this before, but whilst I agree that Kane alone wouldn't win this team the title, I'm pretty sure we would also be on ~80 pts now had we signed him last summer, which would be a title challenge this season, albeit probably not in other seasons where you need ~95 pts to win the Premier League.

And it's not like there's a player out there that would single handedly win us anything, so it's a dumb argument either way. Kane is the best striker we can get, even though he's turning 30 in 2 months. He's likely got 3-4 years left at the highest level.

 

[sullydnl]

He gets us a damn sight closer than we are. And a damn sight closer than we would be with one of those fellas scoring eight goals in Serie A.

He would indeed.

But accepting we're not winning the league next season regardless, the question is whether he'll be get us closer to a title in the 24/25, 25/26, and 26/27 seasons than other strikers we might sign now will at that point. Because if we're signing a CF to win us things, it's across those seasons they'll be doing it.

We want a world class CF next season. But we need a world class CF in two, three and four seasons' time.

And having to project (and depend on) these various options' level across that period makes it a trickier question. Some posters seem to want us to avoid having to make that projection at all by banking on the certainty of Kane's short term quality, but football doesn't work that way. You need to plan ahead.

If you're spending 80-100m on Kane now, you need to be very confident he'll still be more of a title winning CF in two or three seasons time than any of the younger CFs you could buy instead will be. If he will be, great, sign Kane. If he won't be, you have to ask why you're prioritising season where you're less likely to win things. Either way, what he'll do next season doesn't answer that question either way.

 

[Crickus]

Whilst i would prefer a younger striker. Kane would be like signing RVP all over again. Proven goal scorer in the league and would step up to the challenge of leading the line for Utd. He could be the difference maker in making a title challenge

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

He would indeed.

But accepting we're not winning the league next season regardless, the question is whether he'll be get us closer to a title in the 24/25, 25/26, and 26/27 seasons than other strikers we might sign now will at that point. Because if we're signing a CF to win us things, it's across those seasons they'll be doing it.

We want a world class CF next season. But we need a world class CF in two, three and four seasons' time.

And having to project (and depend on) these various options' level across that period makes it a trickier question. Some posters seem to want us to avoid having to make that projection at all by banking on the certainty of Kane's short term quality, but football doesn't work that way. You need to plan ahead.

If you're spending 80-100m on Kane now, you need to be very confident he'll still be more of a title winning CF in two or three seasons time than any of the younger CFs you could buy instead will be. If he will be, great. But what he'll do in the short term doesn't answer that question.

Or he could y’know, win us a lucky Champions League. It’s far easier to win that the PL for the next two turns.

Get the lad in, he’ll score boatloads of goals, we can buy a red hot number 9 in 3 years.