Ok mate. Let me know what he's having for dinner later while you're at it, seeing as you know him so well.
Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Pasta.
I don't really get the Bayern move from his perspective. Why not wait a year and have your pick of clubs on a free?
Why else would he want to move to Bayern? If that's what he wants he clearly cares more about a trophy than some goal scoring record legacy.
Pasta his prime.
I still think that Tottenham sell to Bayern this summer, if Kane makes it clear, that he doesn't renew his contract. Kane and Bayern wouldn't be talking to each other, if he couldn't imagine playing for them.
A year is a long time for a player who's now 30. He'll have a couple of years left of his prime so will want every season to be a fruitful one, more so for a player who's as trophy-starved as Kane is. He's not going to achieve anything at Spurs this coming season.
We are arguably a world class forward away from challenging for the title. I am really struggling to understand why United simply don't test Levy's resolve by offering £100 million for Kane. We can raise funds to sign Kane by selling players.
Maguire £20m
Fred £20m
Elanga £15m
Henderson £15m
Donny van de Beek £20m
Bailly £1m
Iqbal £1m
Telles £4m
Brandon Williams £4m
Maguire £20m
Fred £20m
Elanga £15m
Henderson £15m
Donny van de Beek £20m
Bailly £1m
Iqbal £1m
Telles £4m
Brandon Williams £4m
Security? It's not out of the realms of possibility he gets a significant injury and it harms his future.
Maybe after another 1000 dinners.
Do you think he'll put penne to paper?
That's the issue we haven't been able to raise
Sure but what's an extra year of achieving nothing with Spurs in the grand scheme of things? Waiting opens up a PL move which he'd surely prefer. He just doesn't strike me as someone who wants to see out his career in Germany.
Maybe. But he's not some 19year old on £10k a week. The whole thing doesn't line up for me, I reckon he ends up staying.
Noone wants to pay those prices for our players though. If we sell all those players sure, but even then I dont see Levy taking 100m from us if he can get 80m from Bayern
Maybe Levy will be under more pressure to accept a bid closer to the end of the window. Their board maybe won’t allow Kane’s contract to run down when there are money offers on the table. 100m to reinvest vs nothing at all. Even if he stays for his final year they might not even make top 4. They need to stop thinking they are a big club.
These numbers combined won’t be enough to cover the United tax Levy would slap onto his price.
It is easier said than done to actually raise the money. We don't have the budget for more than we've currently spent without sales. There's no chance we sell 100m worth of players this summer. And then there's the whole "spending 100m on a 30 year old" aspect to consider, which is never a smart decision.
IMO - we are not only a world class CF away. A top CF and time to train and implement the system, get the balance right, and then fine tune it by adjusting whatever part of the squad needs it. That's another year before we can properly challenge at the top.
Probably. I don't know him that well mate
If Levy doesn’t let him leave he might blow a Fusilli.
If Kane angers Levy he might Farfalle out of favour and be left to Ziti on the bench or even Rotini the reserves.
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Kidding aside, if you just said you think Kane wants to go to win trophies, that's fair, he might think he has a decent shot at the CL as well. But if you're talking about legacy, Shearer, and how fans will perceive their careers, then it doesn't make much sense imo. He'll be remembered as the Spurs guy who fell just short of Shearer's record before fecking off to Bayern for a gimme title.
I just think that if he wants to go to Bayern he clearly wants a medal or whatever over any legacy. He will be England's all time top scorer anyway with no sign of that being beaten soon.
Even if it's an easy title for him to win (although they were lucky last season), I imagine he will still love getting to lift the trophy over his at the allianz.
Fitting. You can hardly see the Bundesliga trophy among all the other trophies. Even Lewandowski doesn’t seem to value it muchIf you want to go with a picture of Lewandowski and his Bayern trophies, I have a better one for you.
Not denying it. As far as league titles go, Lewandowski probably even holds the ones with Dortmund in higher regard. I'm saying it's not the only thing you play for at Bayern, and that Kane can basically use any title he can still get his hands on, after wasting so many years of his prime.Fitting. You can hardly see the Bundesliga trophy among all the other trophies. Even Lewandowski doesn’t seem to value it much
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This isn't FM, also we are not that close to challenging for the title, though if City feck up replacing their players then they could feck up I suppose.
At this point our best shot is MAYBE a Jan run at him if Spurs are falling apart. But if they have a decent shot at T4, then it'll be next summer on a free.
That's absoute BS, in my humble opinion.
Levy won't sell Kane to a PL club, but would be okay to part ways with 100m when he leaves for free next summer!
Levy would love Kane, Spurs biggest asset, to commit his entire future to the club. That's clear and obvious. But if any club, including any PL club, offer over 100m for the 30-year-old who is unwilling to sign an extension in the final year of his contract, I refuse to believe that Levy has the stupidity to refuse that offer.
"Unwilling to sell to any PL club" doesn't exist in modern football. There may be some apprehension selling to direct rivals or local rivals, but beyond that there's no such thing in current times.
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Not sure how reliable he is but that would mean the Kane move is dead
I don't see anything in Tanzi's tweets of the past few days dealing with Vlahovic. Nothing on l'Equipe either.
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Yeah, at this point I'd rather we spend the Hojlund money on another midfielder and take a shot at Kane in January. Until then, play Rashford through the middle and let Garnacho cook on the left.
Not sure why a few delude themselves into thinking it might have been a different way.
There is no "testing Levy's resolve." The fella isn't interested. We can throw all logic at the situation and try and apply it to what he should do from a business point of view but he's simply not interested in a domestic sale, nothing has really gone against that point. It's also a moot point when we don't even have the budget to throw a respectable bid at it, nevermind one which would blow Spurs away and compel them to seriously consider it
Completely and utterly dead but it was probably never alive. The only way Kane lands at United is if he stays at Spurs and we throw everything at convincing him between this summer and next year. That's the raffle ticket we have.
You may well be right about Levy, but it would be a colossal mistake for Spurs to see Kane leave 100m on the table and see their club's greatest player, still at his prime (we''ll see how he performs in the new season but no one denies he was outstanding last season) walk out on a free.
Liverpool cashed in Coutinho and the sale paid massive dividends for the club. Levy can do a lot with 100m and propel his club to the next level of greatness or he can watch his club slide off the cliff. He may well risk the latter out of petulance, but if he does his rivals will no longer be Brighton and Villa...more like Brentford and Fulham.
If Daniel is betting that he can talk Harry into a new contract who are we to say that that's ridiculous? But if he goes into the last week of August with this bet still on the table his bet will go down in professional football lore as one of the greatest blunders of all time.
Like what? That's basically what a newly promoted Championship team spends in this day and age. It gets you barely more than Kai Havertz.
100m is not club changing in football anymore. Not even close to it.
Who has more ego? Daniel Levy or you telling me how my club is run?
I guess you're going to find out.
I still believe United are negotiating behind the scenes for Kane or at least his brother agent is trying to smoke out what United are prepared to pay for Kane. This idea that Levy is some master negotiator is being way too overhyped. He’s done feck all to help spurs win trophies in their best era for decades and is now bitter at losing his prize jewel. There’s always a price and he’d be incredibly foolish to let Kane go for nothing. Levy will eventually buckle, he’s sold great players in the past, it’s Spurs ffs.
An interesting assertion, that spending $100m is absolutely worthless to PL clubs these days.
Losing Kane would be a massive blow to Spurs but if it can be accepted as true that Kane is leaving now or later, the question is whether Spurs would want the additional 100m on top of their presumed 100m transfer budget or just their worthless 100m that they would already bank on.
An easy decision.
But it's a hard decision but either way you go there's a risk. If Daniel bets on Harry staying but bets wrong, he's got 100m less than he would have to rebuild the club. If he's right, that Harry stays, then he loses that 100m but he keeps arguably the world's greatest striker.
It really comes down to whether Levy is right that he can talk Kane into staying. If he can't, he can't be a moron and leave 100m on the table.
I doubt there's a way to correctly calculate that, but how much money is Kane worth, indirectly, to Spurs ?
Without him, how many standings below could they end up with in 2024 ? Club image, merchandise, fan goodwill, etc
Maybe not 100m plus wages but it's worth something to have him another year, I suspect.
As another poster said, 100m is not really a massive deal of money anymore. Buys you maybe 2 or 3 decent players for a club like Spurs ?
Without him, how many standings below could they end up with in 2024 ? Club image, merchandise, fan goodwill, etc
Maybe not 100m plus wages but it's worth something to have him another year, I suspect.
As another poster said, 100m is not really a massive deal of money anymore. Buys you maybe 2 or 3 decent players for a club like Spurs ?
He got his pants pulled down with Berbatov and the club has been run completely different ever since.
We took a lot less money from Real Madrid for Modric than what Chelsea was offering for example and essentially a "don't sell to PL teams" policy was put in place and stays there until today. Man Utd will not shake it. He goes to Bayern or he stays are basically the two options.
Bayern is looking more and more likely by the day.
You're basically straw manning here.
Nowhere did I say it's worthless it's just nowhere near the value you're trying to attribute to it. The idea that something is better than nothing is also a flawed premise, but that's for another discussion.
It buys you Kai Havertz + a little bit in this market. Argue that point and don't try and put words in my mouth that it's worthless.
It's my view, perhaps an insane one, that having 100m in hand is better than having 0m in hand.
But of course Spurs won't have 0m on hand for their transfer activity next January and next summer. They'll have probably 100m already to spend, so if they add another 100m from the sale of Kane they'll have, if my math works out correctly, 200m to spend. Without question they'll have to fill Kane's hole with some of that 200m, but the point is that if Kane walks on a free that they'd only have the presumed 100m and not the 200m to fill hole left behind by Kane and other holes.
I will not accept the absurd proposition that a PL really can't do much of anything with 200m. Clubs like Brighton and even Liverpool have shown that if you know what you're doing (which United wasn't for about a decade) you can do a lot with 100m and you can do even more with 200m. I will accept the point that Spurs cannot spend 200m and expect to be a PL contender, but they should be able to spend 200m shrewdly and compete for a top four spot. But if they're reduced to spending only 100m (that is, because they let Kane walk on a free) I do agree with your point which I think you're making that spending only 100m probably won't be enough for Spurs to rejoin the top four club and will have to settle for competing with the likes of Brighton and Villa for a EL spot at best, and even then you'd have to fancy Brighton and Villa for elbowing out Spurs. All to satisfy Levy's ego.
What Spurs cannot afford is to spiral down below an EL spot, for obvious reasons.