Red the Bear
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For once I kinda appreciate levy being an arrogant knobhead.
City most definitely is. They are and are going to be for as long as Pep is there basically the favourites every year.Except they’re not. No team in world football can be called a large step up from United .. currently . Not even City. Remember last season everyone thought it’d take years to catch up to liverpool … it can be done.
2020 was 3 years ago when was United's last relevant CL period?In this moment, they definitely aren't.
Their team last season was the worst it's been in decades. It took a Dortmund bottle-job for them to win the Bundesliga.
They've not been relevant in the CL since 2020.
Bayern is the easier move to make.
Spurs beat City at home literally every single year. They don't even score. It's nothing fancy, at least in my eyes.Man Utd have improved a lot since the start of last season. It wasn't a fluke that they knocked out Barca in the EL.
They even beat Man City at home in the PL earlier this year - with Bayern failing to beat City at home in the CL.
I didn't think the two teams seemed that far apart in the FA Cup either - Utd with a more capable midfielder than the declining Eriksen, and a proper CF, could have pushed City all the way.
They've got 120 or so charges hanging over them and have difficulty attracting all but the most casual fans worldwide -maybe it's harder in general , and particularly today, for 'new' (footballing) elites' to gain support in the same way United, or Madrid, even Liverpool to a great extent, developed globally through history and 'mythos' attached to it - but even so, City just don't have that aura. You go there for pragmatic reasons - good coaching, a calculation around trophies, but they don't have that allure : players just screen out how hollow, cheat-code and frictionless in many ways it is, compared to a proper prestige club, even if a team like Madrid have always had certain unfair advantages in their own way (the 'kings team'/the 'generals team', bailed out of their debts etc).City most definitely is. They are and are going to be for as long as Pep is there basically the favourites every year.
Not to mention that extra being not just a 100m transfer but more than likely 120m with 100m guaranteed up front and running right to the wire. Let Kane go and enjoy some Bratwurst. The chap should have had some balls ages ago and left Spurs.Media will be absolutely unbearable about us not paying that bit extra to sign him. Happy to conveniently ignore what an absolute fecking nightmare Levy is to deal with
3 years is a very long time in football.2020 was 3 years ago when was United's last relevant CL period?
I would IF Kane stays but tells him I am only interested in joining Utd next summer (never gonna happen unfortunately)For once I kinda appreciate levy being an arrogant knobhead.
Think it's bad news that Kolo-Muani is now off the table because will make Bayern doubly determined to sign KaneWho knows but reportedly Spurs were willing to offer 20m£ a year / 400k a week... Surely he can easily pretend somewhere in that range (18-25m€) and would be a mark to accept less even playing up the good employee modesty to its maximum. That seems consistent with what we know in general about top forwards emoluments.
Ultimatums sound really dumb in that context, especially so if you're not following up on them. I get that Bayern may feel frustrated by the whole process but if they're not walking off after setting a deadline -taking reports at face value- they appear more desperate than anything. There's not a lot of other options they can realistically say they're pursuing (doubly so with Kolo Muani being in supposedly good talks with PSG) or fall back on. I guess Osimhen is still there ? Not sure you'd get him at a lower fee (even if lower wages in the long run).
The cnut needs to be put in his place. As the Munich press said -- they should not be on their knees begging from a club like Spurs.For once I kinda appreciate levy being an arrogant knobhead.
You have to give the current management credit for that. We got exact;y what we needed first. And now are in the position of getting what we 'want'. Little fuss and drama.Some people here seriously thought we should have been pissing around with Daniel Levy holding our summer hostage. Unreal lack of foresight. Thankfully the club found the right conclusion very early.
Maybe thats why the club has not performed under his management. It just cant attract the top top level stars. And it wants to be a selling club then Levy needs to change its approach.I always thought Levy's notorious hard balling, whilst perhaps leading to advantageous individual deals, surely massively limit the appeal of signing for that club. If you do well and you attract the interest of the giants of European football the Levy factor will come into play and you're going nowhere
Maybe thats why the club has not performed under his management. It just cant attract the top top level stars. And it wants to be a selling club then Levy needs to change its approach.
Bayern gave him a negotiation deadline and instead of showing some compromise, he flies off to the States that very day!!! Its just childish -- trying to show some big dick energy when clearly everyone knows that he has limited negotiation leverage.
If my club (Bayern) wouldn’t desperately need a CF I‘d hope that Kane leaves Tottenham for free next summer.They need to be realistic. They could greatly improve by attracting players that see them as a stepping stone to another club. Yet their actions in the market suggest to me that they're probably only attracting those who see Spurs as their limit
I'm getting serious doubts whether our need justifies the expense and more importantly the undignified clownery this transfer saga has become.If my club (Bayern) wouldn’t desperately need a CF I‘d hope that Kane leaves Tottenham for free next summer.
I would be absolutely fine with walking away if we have an alternative like Vlahovic lined up for example.I'm getting serious doubts whether our need justifies the expense and more importantly the undignified clownery this transfer saga has become.
People earnestly believe that smaller clubs should build up organically, without relying on a sugar daddy or oil money, but at the same time these clubs should also not stand in the way of their players when a bigger club comes in for them.The disrespect towards Spurs and Levy here is ridiculous. Players sign contracts, the club have every right to demand what they want for a player while they are under said contract.
I’m not sure how many times it’s been detrimental to Spurs (Berbatov late in the window is probably the biggest example), but under his stewardship the club have made huge strides, played fairly regular European football and built one of the best stadiums in the world. To suggest they should just rollover and be a selling club is a bit disingenuous, if it was your club, you wouldn’t be happy with that. You’d want them to be showing ambition and fighting tooth and nail for the best players and for progression.
If Murtough was selling players below their market value then a lot of our supporters would be apoplectic. You can’t please everyone, but generally speaking Levy has done a very good job for the last decade.
Welcome to trying to sign a player from Spurs that Levy doesn't want to lose. It stops becoming about getting the best deal, and more about his 'reputation' as a negotiator.I'm getting serious doubts whether our need justifies the expense and more importantly the undignified clownery this transfer saga has become.
Says who? If, as seems to be the case, Bayern and Kane have talked and agreed, I imagine the wage question has been mentionedIt's not the transfer fee that's the problem, it's Kane's wages.
Of course he has. English clubs don’t even approach the club for his players anymore. That’s the league with the richest clubs in the world not even bothering to enter any transfer race. That’s ok if you’re as thick as Levy is and flat out refuses to talk to them but are they going to continually sell their players to Bayern and Madrid forever? Even Bayern will think twice after this.I wonder if levy is buying into his own hype as some tough negotiator.
he is ultimately setting the new manager up for failure with the complete uncertainty around kane
Since you moved to your new stadium and had two hugely defensive coaches. Don't see that happening this yearSpurs beat City at home literally every single year. They don't even score. It's nothing fancy, at least in my eyes.
That's what they will do. It's a shame Lewis can't sack levy... Purely based on football performance. Woodward is a regular Ferguson compared to levy.At this point teams should just tell levy to feck off and get Kane on a free instead next summer
They should really, you can spend 70 -100 million on a player from another league like havertz, sancho, nunez, Antony and not know if they can handle the premier league or spend 100-120 million on kane who will guarantee your club 20 -30 goals a season on top of 5 - 10 assists as well.I don't get the impression Kane really wants to move his family to Germany, but no English club is buying him at Levy's price to rivals.
Agreed he is guaranteed a return of goals, assists and strong hold up play. Really Chelsea, Liverpool and ourselves should he going full out for him. I know Chelsea is probably a no go given he's at spursThey should really, you can spend 70 -100 million on a player from another league like havertz, sancho, nunez, Antony and not know if they can handle the premier league or spend 100-120 million on kane who will guarantee your club 20 -30 goals a season on top of 5 - 10 assists as well.
None of those clubs are that desperate. He won't guarantee the league to any of them especially the opportunity cost of his financial package.Agreed he is guaranteed a return of goals, assists and strong hold up play. Really Chelsea, Liverpool and ourselves should he going full out for him. I know Chelsea is probably a no go given he's at spurs
While I rate Kane highly and believe he would have delivered for us (goals, not necessarily titles). I am super glad we didn't get drawn into this saga. The season is one week away and we've done the priority signings. We'll probably bring in some depth signings like Amrabat and back up GK and hopefully look to sell some players over the next three weeks which is completely fine.Agreed he is guaranteed a return of goals, assists and strong hold up play. Really Chelsea, Liverpool and ourselves should he going full out for him. I know Chelsea is probably a no go given he's at spurs