It's not that straightforward as It works both ways. How many of our goals conceded could have been avoided with a proper CB ? How much better would have been with a composed ball playing midfielder?
In football, not all 1 + 1s are 2.
Harry Kane | "I will be staying at Tottenham this summer and will be 100% focused on helping the team achieve success."
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I'd love Kane at United. He'd be incredible for us. If city get him then everyone else might as well not bother turning up next season.
Doubt we'll get him though. First of all, the cost would be insane, can't imagine we could afford it. Even if we could afford it, the opportunity cost of then not being able to afford to sign much-needed players in other positions would surely rule it out. Suspect he'll end up at city
Doubt we'll get him though. First of all, the cost would be insane, can't imagine we could afford it. Even if we could afford it, the opportunity cost of then not being able to afford to sign much-needed players in other positions would surely rule it out. Suspect he'll end up at city
Kane with Guardiola would mean nobody has a chance to win the league for the foreseeable future. Pep just walked the league without playing a main striker, and might be about to win a UCL, league, and league cup treble without a recognized striker. If he gets not just a proper striker but possibly the best striker in England, it's curtains for everyone else.I'd love Kane at United. He'd be incredible for us. If city get him then everyone else might as well not bother turning up next season.
Doubt we'll get him though. First of all, the cost would be insane, can't imagine we could afford it. Even if we could afford it, the opportunity cost of then not being able to afford to sign much-needed players in other positions would surely rule it out. Suspect he'll end up at city
Have football fans always been so defeatist?
Or is it more of a recent thing that falls in line with the societal shift towards this 'woe is me' culture?
Or is it more of a recent thing that falls in line with the societal shift towards this 'woe is me' culture?
I don't think it's any woe is me attitude at all so much as a natural reaction to the turning of tides and shifting power dynamics in football over the last decade or so.
There's very much a growing inferiority complex within many of our fans in regards to City and it's not really surprising given that they've now won the league 4 times in the last 8 seasons after we won no.20 and are on the cusp of sealing a European crown to boot.
We'll always be competitive in the market compared to just about every club in the world but the insecurity is definitely real when City can offer whatever we can + guaranteed hardware annually.
They can spend as much as anyone in the world on top of sparing no expenses when it comes to their actual on the pitch football operations (facilities, coaching, academy developement etc).
It's a bit of role reversal of how Liverpool and Arsenal fans must've felt about us from the mid 2000's to early 2010's
That just proves we don't need him to win the title. City won without a Kane type forward because they had the right players throughout the team and didn't load up in one area leaving weaknesses elsewhere.
If we buy Kane which we won't be doing it wouldn't make us any better if a team as we would still be weak at the back , still have McFred playing every week to try and cover that and still not have a proper right winger
We would be no further forward.
Weird how people don't realise that the best team wins the title
I really dont see the point in us wasting our time chasing Kane.
Incredible as he would be for any club, hes going to cost so much money and it will be such a difficult transfer to complete. Thats even assuming Spurs buckle and sell.
We arent going to spend the insane amount needed to buy him and Id much rather use those funds to sort the other areas we need to sort.
Also I trust in Greenwood.
Incredible as he would be for any club, hes going to cost so much money and it will be such a difficult transfer to complete. Thats even assuming Spurs buckle and sell.
We arent going to spend the insane amount needed to buy him and Id much rather use those funds to sort the other areas we need to sort.
Also I trust in Greenwood.
The board know it's too big of an opportunity to miss out on. He is Ruud Van level. We've been lacking a clincial experienced striker for many years, Cavani has shown (but he can't play Wed/Sat matches any more) how important it is. Also if City get him, it's game over.
£100m get it done.
£100m get it done.
Not really true for the early 2010s. We spend more time thinking how the hell did you guys win the league with such a shit squad more than anything else.
The inferiority complex is very much a Man Utd fans thing, in part because most of your fanbase are too used to winning that you don't know how to handle not being on the top anymore.
based on???
City won the title without him easily perhaps kane type forwards are just not as valuable as people here seem to believe
City don't need Kane to win the title, but that doesn't mean they won't be even better with him.
Nothing straightforward in my post. The post has little words but consists of lot of meaning as the post was about understanding the main factor why we fail to win the league or challenging the league this season. The main factor is the draw results we had and 7 of them were 0-0.
So, if we play the exact same methodology and systems as what we have been playing this season but you add Kane in the squad to have a world class striker and proven in the league who offers both creativity and goals and can play week in week out as he is not 34 years old Cavani, that is definitely will help us to solve those 0-0 draws. That makes signing Kane will have less risk of failure than the other alternative as we are signing more proven player and not making too many changes from the current one.
On contrary, if we sign 2-3 regular players, we might need to change the methodology and system of how we play and operate, that would make it higher risk of failure than the one with Kane. For recent example, Chelsea under Lampard.
We might have better chance to win UCL with other alternative but for the league itself, we probably have better chance to win it with Kane. It is all depending on how you use the squad as a group against different kind of opposition teams.
Who would Kane replaced in the current City's best XI setup?
One of the 6 midfielders
What does it matter what City achieved without a striker this season? City's style is different from ours.
The striker they've won 4 league titles with??
Ludicrous to think Pep wouldn't work someone like Kane into his XI, he showed he can win without one sure but his greatest sides have had incredibly lethal strikers like Villa, Henry, Aguero, Eto'o, Lewandowski, Messi in the role etc
So you think adding Kane to a team that has McFred and Lindelof as starters is going to just instantly go from an inconsistent team to title challengers?
That striker isn't on his best XI.
There's no question about this he'd start over Jesus.
Most goals in the league, most assists in the league, and there are some that doubt if we should sign him?
We shall do our outmost best to sign him.
We shall do our outmost best to sign him.
7 of 0-0 draws in the league this season with McFred and Lindelof.
Would Kane solve that 0-0 draws problem? Or would new CB and new midfield or DM solve them?
It's easy to pin point at the stats and think one player will magically improve us but it very rarely works that way. You could look at it alternatively and say a new CB and DM add balance to the team that allows our attackers to go all out with more freedom in a more coherent system. Adding Kane to a team with McFred and Lindelof papers over cracks it doesn't fully solve the problem. We'll still have a soft defence, our midfield will still be technically limited players will have to continue to drop deep as a result of it. That won't close the gap on City or increase it on a more settled Liverpool/Chelsea team
Aguero was absolutely in his best XI most of their time together when healthy.
Pep also said this recently
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He said he doesn't like putting all the scoring onus on a single player, would never be the case at City anyway, but he'd fancy a top scoring forward
A Bruno - Kane attacking unit would be sweet.
The midfield is a big reason for those 0-0s.
A proper right winger might have solved it allowing Greenwood to play central
Kane in this side would instantly propel us to title challengers more so than signing Sancho or a CB/DM. He’s as close to a complete striker as you’ll find in the PL and would anyone bet against him scoring 20 league goals next season?
His movement link up play and finishing are world class. Look at the impact Cavani has had and tell me Kane wouldn’t do better?
He’ll go to City anyway.
His movement link up play and finishing are world class. Look at the impact Cavani has had and tell me Kane wouldn’t do better?
He’ll go to City anyway.
Because Greenwood has shown what in the middle at any level? I get that Greenwood is a great striker of the ball, but its no coincidence that he looks great played out wide and at best average down the middle. There are very few players who move from wide to central, Henry being the exception that instantly comes to mind, but I am not sure Henry could have played on his own up front and been as effective (he would still be good). Greenwood has not played centrally even as a youth player, or at least not for any run, and has always been most effective coming from off the edge of the box.
It’s win win for Kane. He’ll either get his big move or he’ll get the biggest contract of his career.
It’s probably going to be both.
Fair point. Unless he moves to United.
Well that’s the sycamore isn’t it?
That's not how football works. Do you remember when Chelsea won back to back titles and got Sheva and Ballack to their already crazy good squad. All thought no one will come close and then with just Saha as our only main addition, we won the league and got to the CL final. That was the first of 3 league titles on the trot for us.
Yeah we don't have SAF anymore at the helm, but the thought remains that not everything in football is as simple as "they are already amazing, getting another good player would mean they are untouchable for the foreseeable future". Even Zlatan didn't have that effect in Barca with Mourinho winning the CL with Inter.
It shouldn’t be matter of might. Even without signing anyone, we might have solve it with certain condition. It should be a matter of which one will give us better chance to solve our 7 of 0-0 draws, Kane or proper right winger?
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The original post you replied didn’t pin point at the stats alone. It has deep analysis into it.
You don’t need to solve fully or fully the problems to win the EPL, It’s not like I’m talking about us winning treble or UCL.
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Of course you don't need to solve the full problems but the problems we have in defence and midfield are too big to ignore completely they'll come to haunt us at some point in the season. If Kane came in with at least one of a starting CB or DM you'd have a point but him alone will not make us title winners. His price tag and our owners however means if he came in he'd be our only signing and that would not be a wise decision at all
That's true. How someone fits plays a big role and team chemistry might be affected in ways people don't anticipate. I suppose you're right.
That's not true in the slightest. Loads of wide forwards make the transition into strikers later in their careers. Henry, Van Persie, even Ronaldo to some degree, David Villa, Eto, Rooney. In fact, I'd argue a larger proportion of strikers started off as wide players than those that started straight as a striker. Greenwood has also played consistently down the middle in the youth sides including as a central striker in his final youth team season where he bagged for fun. The challenge for a young player is learning how to use your body in the man's game against physical centre backs and there are signs that Greenwood is improving in that area. Against Leicester last week was one of his best performances in a central role and he looked every bit the senior player in that team, whilst also scoring a brilliant goal.
Ultimately, we need to get Greenwood into as many shooting positions in a game as possible, because we could be looking at a 20-30 goal a year player. If that is best as a wide forward then no problem, but it's certainly not outlandish to think he might end up playing the striker role to a very high level. The sky is the limit on his potential.