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What’s this got to do with the OP?
Everything you’ve stated is pretty much what was said in the post match thread.
Sorry quotes you by accident. I've edited the post since.
What’s this got to do with the OP?
Everything you’ve stated is pretty much what was said in the post match thread.
ThanksSorry quotes you by accident. I've edited the post since.
Seriously what were you all expecting before the season? I fail to see the logic on how someone can realistically expect this squad to be anywhere higher than we are now and believe that Woodward and co should be disappointed in the current results.
We've brought in Ole to rebuild a squad from scratch, which is obviously not one or two years plan. He has stated that we will see results at 2022-23 season already last season, nothing changes, there's no quick fix that does along with long-term plan. We have youngest XI week after week, let all our players who aren't planned to be here long-term go and giving youth chance. We're building a quick counter-attacking team which is the only tactic that works against current best teams in the world (PSG, Real Madrid, Barcelona and City) and if equipped with depth and quality in midfield, will be deadly. Nearly all our players are few seasons from reaching their potential, everyone knew before the season we will be inconsistent, it's not a surprise. We've also had Pogba out nearly all season and please remember how our team looked in past few seasons with him being out. We were absolutely dreadful.
What solutions would y'all like? Should we keep aging players who aren't giving their 100% just to have a better chance at top4, instead of giving time to youth? We did that for 5 years already, where did it take us?
As the saying goes - you don't need enemies when you have friends like that. Putting pressure on all players and manager, beating them while they are down and then wonder why everyone can't make simple passes on the pitch when they are under such pressure from so-called "fans" each game. No wonder players flourish when they move from United and even top class players like Lukaku aren't afraid to admit all this pressure screw him up.
On other note people actually believe the earth is flat, vote for Trump and don't believe in global warming, so I shouldn't be surprised by any kind of idiocy anymore, yet some comments here tops that.
I think you'll find Moyes done that singlehandedly. Btw shouldn't you be out eating people somewhere Mr Pennywise?The season is over already. Ole and Ed have sucked the life out of the club. Everything about it is utterly depressing
Seriously what were you all expecting before the season? I fail to see the logic on how someone can realistically expect this squad to be anywhere higher than we are now and believe that Woodward and co should be disappointed in the current results.
We've brought in Ole to rebuild a squad from scratch, which is obviously not one or two years plan. He has stated that we will see results at 2022-23 season already last season, nothing changes, there's no quick fix that does along with long-term plan.
I can appreciate your optimistic outlook here mate, but wow.... I think you might be reaching on a few of these points.Ole did a halftime change which completely nullified the overloading at midfield and made us look the better team in second half, but he won't be able to make the switch in the future? City used same tactic last season in 2 games AFAIR, one of them was vs Chelsea that they won 6-0 or 5-0, however Sarri didn't make any proper changes and counter that. Means Ole is better than Sarri from one game?
The same change was called "idiotic" by everyone from Ole out brigade in half time and after full time, the same people were asking why Ole isn't playing Matic all the time. And you call Ole supporting fans reactive, not proactive? Get a grip.
Also, mind that City scored a wonder goal from nowhere when United was the better team or at least as good as City until then. If you have any coaching or playing experience you will know that young players can react badly to that and they did, unfortunately. If you are weaker side and lose psychological advantage, you don't have much of a chance.
Let's add that Ole outclassed Pep at first h2h match with far weaker side.
However that all means nothing because Pep did actually bring good tactics for one half? Whatever fits your agenda I guess
How about this mate?
I've reached a similar conclusion.
The problems at this club are at every level, every department, a few new signings, or a change of manager, isn't going to turn this debacle around.
Sadly, I really can't see how this club goes forward unless there is a buyout and the new owners just wipe away every trace of the current regime.
This is a genuine question, not taking the piss, as I think you genuinely believe what you wrote.
When was the last time that a top/elite level team in any league in Europe, "re-built" and wrote off 3 years, then came back to win big trophies, as you seem to have suggested in your post?
Before you write your answer, consider that we are in 2020.
Regarding the statement that Ole was brought in to rebuild from scratch.
Why on Earth would any club, in their right mind, hire a manager whose only claim to fame is to get Cardiff relegated, then get fired for being incompetent at his job....then go and manage the rest of his years in Norway, because a top league would not hire him?
Then, we need to ask why no other club purposely decides to drop down the table for 3 years, before coming back up. Yet, at MUFC, this plan (if you can call it that), is acceptable.
The standards which fan demand of MUFC has fallen so low that even if we got relegated, sever fans will claim that this is all part of the plan.
Seriously what were you all expecting before the season? I fail to see the logic on how someone can realistically expect this squad to be anywhere higher than we are now and believe that Woodward and co should be disappointed in the current results.
We've brought in Ole to rebuild a squad from scratch, which is obviously not one or two years plan. He has stated that we will see results at 2022-23 season already last season, nothing changes, there's no quick fix that does along with long-term plan. We have youngest XI week after week, let all our players who aren't planned to be here long-term go and giving youth chance. We're building a quick counter-attacking team which is the only tactic that works against current best teams in the world (PSG, Real Madrid, Barcelona and City) and if equipped with depth and quality in midfield, will be deadly. Nearly all our players are few seasons from reaching their potential, everyone knew before the season we will be inconsistent, it's not a surprise. We've also had Pogba out nearly all season and please remember how our team looked in past few seasons with him being out. We were absolutely dreadful.
What solutions would y'all like? Should we keep aging players who aren't giving their 100% just to have a better chance at top4, instead of giving time to youth? We did that for 5 years already, where did it take us?
As the saying goes - you don't need enemies when you have friends like that. Putting pressure on all players and manager, beating them while they are down and then wonder why everyone can't make simple passes on the pitch when they are under such pressure from so-called "fans" each game. No wonder players flourish when they move from United and even top class players like Lukaku aren't afraid to admit all this pressure screw him up.
On other note people actually believe the earth is flat, vote for Trump and don't believe in global warming, so I shouldn't be surprised by any kind of idiocy anymore, yet some comments here tops that.
This is a genuine question, not taking the piss, as I think you genuinely believe what you wrote.
When was the last time that a top/elite level team in any league in Europe, "re-built" and wrote off 3 years, then came back to win big trophies, as you seem to have suggested in your post?
Before you write your answer, consider that we are in 2020.
Regarding the statement that Ole was brought in to rebuild from scratch.
Why on Earth would any club, in their right mind, hire a manager whose only claim to fame is to get Cardiff relegated, then get fired for being incompetent at his job....then go and manage the rest of his years in Norway, because a top league would not hire him?
Then, we need to ask why no other club purposely decides to drop down the table for 3 years, before coming back up. Yet, at MUFC, this plan (if you can call it that), is acceptable.
The standards which fan demand of MUFC has fallen so low that even if we got relegated, sever fans will claim that this is all part of the plan.
I don't think it's about lowering standards as much as it's about being realistic, given the squad we currently have and the level of investment the board are prepared to make in it. Nobody is "purposely deciding to drop down the table for 3 years" or writing anything off. Just accepting the fact that, while we have some good young talent, they are not in their prime yet. The one prime world class player we do have has barely played for us this season. Personally, I find it hard to blame Ole for the vast majority of our current problems because they have been years in the making. The squad was trimmed to much without suitable replacements last summer, that's on him, but those players did need to leave sooner rather than later anyway, so I'm content that it was in our long-term interest even if it has caused short-term issues.This is a genuine question, not taking the piss, as I think you genuinely believe what you wrote.
When was the last time that a top/elite level team in any league in Europe, "re-built" and wrote off 3 years, then came back to win big trophies, as you seem to have suggested in your post?
Before you write your answer, consider that we are in 2020.
Regarding the statement that Ole was brought in to rebuild from scratch.
Why on Earth would any club, in their right mind, hire a manager whose only claim to fame is to get Cardiff relegated, then get fired for being incompetent at his job....then go and manage the rest of his years in Norway, because a top league would not hire him?
Then, we need to ask why no other club purposely decides to drop down the table for 3 years, before coming back up. Yet, at MUFC, this plan (if you can call it that), is acceptable.
The standards which fan demand of MUFC has fallen so low that even if we got relegated, sever fans will claim that this is all part of the plan.
Ole did a halftime change which completely nullified the overloading at midfield and made us look the better team in second half, but he won't be able to make the switch in the future? City used same tactic last season in 2 games AFAIR, one of them was vs Chelsea that they won 6-0 or 5-0, however Sarri didn't make any proper changes and counter that. Means Ole is better than Sarri from one game?
The same change was called "idiotic" by everyone from Ole out brigade in half time and after full time, the same people were asking why Ole isn't playing Matic all the time. And you call Ole supporting fans reactive, not proactive? Get a grip.
Also, mind that City scored a wonder goal from nowhere when United was the better team or at least as good as City until then. If you have any coaching or playing experience you will know that young players can react badly to that and they did, unfortunately. If you are weaker side and lose psychological advantage, you don't have much of a chance.
Let's add that Ole outclassed Pep at first h2h match with far weaker side.
However that all means nothing because Pep did actually bring good tactics for one half? Whatever fits your agenda I guess
What a delusional post. The run in? You actually think we'll be involved in the run in? We will be double digits outside the top 4 when the run in comes around. Hell, we might be double digits outside the top 4 when the current month ends looking at our schedule. As for Ole being hamstrung by injuries, he is also being hamstrung by his lack of abilities as a manager every bit as much as the injuries.
No its not. It is very accurate. Even Pep repeated it in his post match interview.Delusion of the highest order.
I cant be bothered going through all your points as many other people have already torn this post to shreds.
No. We're 5th in the league which would be a good guess based on our squad. We can certainly improve but right now we're at our level.
The other worrying trend is Ole saying how we should be like the Bitters and Scousers with little evidence that we’re heading in that direction.The season isnt a write off just yet. Your correct in that is probably a decent position considering the state of our squad.
I think the worrying thing is the club unwillingness to take their chances to end this rut asap and improve. Real Madrid realised they were slipping behind last year and called for drastic measures and went out and bought something like 13 players i think it was. Alot of them signed and ready before the window was even open. With our situation, with City looking top class & champions 2 in a row, & the Scousers Euro champs, again.. you would think this is the motivation we need to show we mean business.. But no. We are just sitting there admiring the bottom line, pretending all is great.
I wish I could argue this post but you are so right,this season is about to take an horrendous turn for the worse.We're the Milan of England, a finished club.
The worst part is we can sink even further.
I have been calling our decline into mediocrity for a long time. We are finished as a top club as long as Woodward is in charge. If the penny drops on his massive forehead and he puts proper structures in place, then we might get back on track. Just accept we are shite and nothing will change anytime soon and you'll be less disappointed. That's my motto till things change at the top.