There'd be a god damn revolution in Norway if someone tried anything like that. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though. Over the last few years I've seen several events over at Reddit where American users are asked to donate office supplies to teachers. I'm a teacher, but I wouldn't be one for long if I had to pay for my own office supplies, let alone pay for my own substitute teacher if I get cancer!
Canada’s government run healthcare is cheaper for drugs than anything the US provides.As someone who is currently utilizing the health insurance exchanges within the Affordable Care Act in her home state, Nystrom said she usually pays $600 for two vials of insulin, or about $300 per vial. In Canada, she said she was able to buy 10 vials for $300 — or around $30 per vial.
https://www.reallyamerican.com/repo...nadian-border-to-find-cheaper-drug-prices-673
Dane here. Just shy of 40% in tax on a yearly salary up to a bit less than 75k if I remember correctly. We don't have tuition fees and students over 18 get paid 800-odd dollars per month to study, unless they earn too much on the side through a part time job. Healthcare in general is free, medicine gets cheaper the more you need it, I paid about $2 for my last 60 doses of some asthma medicine.Was just looking at my weekly paycheck and noticed that my gross/net looked a little low. It turns out I'm paying 37% of my gross salary in deductions.
None of those deductions are for a pension, or dental care - just regular deductions such as federal tax, state tax, soc security, medicare (that's a fcukin laugh!)....
So, a question: how does that compare to folks in Europe/Canada/Oz on a % basis? You get subsidized (or free) university, almost free healthcare, etc?
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
What's the point in saving lives if you cant make money doing it? Capitialism is a disease
Imagine having that job. I'd want to kill myself.Researchers in the company’s division of inflammation and immunology urged Pfizer to conduct a clinical trial on thousands of patients, which they estimated would cost $80 million, to see if the signal contained in the data was real, according to an internal company document obtained by The Washington Post.
“Enbrel could potentially safely prevent, treat and slow progression of Alzheimer’s disease,’’ said the document, a PowerPoint slide show that was prepared for review by an internal Pfizer committee in February 2018.
I'd infiltrate them to become a whistleblower and expose their scandalous hustle ala The InsiderImagine having that job. I'd want to kill myself.
Hardly. Pfizer chose not to spend $80m over four years running clinical trials to test the efficacy of a drug to treat Alzheimers that can't even cross the blood brain barrier. Which has got feck all to do with capitalism and a lot to do with common sense.Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
What's the point in saving lives if you cant make money doing it? Capitialism is a disease
You seem to have reached the end of the article, where they discuss peripheral inflammation, very quickly.Hardly. Pfizer chose not to spend $80m over four years running clinical trials to test the efficacy of a drug to treat Alzheimers that can't even cross the blood brain barrier. Which has got feck all to do with capitalism and a lot to do with common sense.
I've read about this already. The peripheral inflammation theory is a massive leap of faith. The whole thing is based on observational data from an insurance database analysis. Which is also sketchy as feck.You seem to have reached the end of the article, where they discuss peripheral inflammation, very quickly.
Do you think the guys working on drug development are all rubes?
Yes. They should 100% have published their findings. That's a bug bear of mine. Transparency is vital and it boils my piss when research gets buried, no matter the reason.@Pogue Mahone
I'd also add that even if it doesn't work directly, publishing their statistical findings could inspire a new direction of work among Alzheimers' researchers outside the company.
They didnt even bother to let the public know about this because it wouldnt be profitable for them.Hardly. Pfizer chose not to spend $80m over four years running clinical trials to test the efficacy of a drug to treat Alzheimers that can't even cross the blood brain barrier. Which has got feck all to do with capitalism and a lot to do with common sense.
Nah, that's crap. Even this (obviously biased) article makes it clear that they did share the data externally.They didnt even bother to let the public know about this because it wouldnt be profitable for them.
I agree they should have published it. Pharma companies have a history of being a bit crap at publishing negative trials or data from studies that they think are methodologically flawed. Of course, part of the problem is the reluctance of scientific journals to publish negative or flawed research. Open source publishing is improving this and pharma companies are getting better at making sure all their research gets shared externally. Some are better at this than others.Pfizer did share the data privately with at least one prominent scientist, but outside researchers contacted by The Post believe Pfizer also should at least have published its data, making the findings broadly available to researchers.
I'm in basic science where the sums involved and the consequences are much much smaller. I can confidently say that if there was any hint of something like this in data I had, me or whoever took over my project would be asked to look at it in a few different ways, and tackle it with the resources we do have (think of a possible mechanism and try to test that, maybe a side project collaborating with another lab). And we'd probably publish too, either standalone or as part of whatever data it originally came from.I've read about this already. The peripheral inflammation theory is a massive leap of faith. The whole thing is based on observational data from an insurance database analysis. Which is also sketchy as feck. Capitalism aside, there's not a snowball's chance in hell of any state-funded academic institution throwing that much money at such a tenuous hypothesis. As you well know.
Well, exactly. Their priority is research that helps develop medicines. They have finite resources (even though those resources are bigger than in academia) and will prioritise their spending accordingly.I'm in basic science where the sums involved and the consequences are much much smaller. I can confidently say that if there was any hint of something like this in data I had, me or whoever took over my project would be asked to look at it in a few different ways, and tackle it with the resources we do have (think of a possible mechanism and try to test that, maybe a side project collaborating with another lab). And we'd probably publish too, either standalone or as part of whatever data it originally came from.
It would be slow and wouldn't say much about its use as a medicine, but it would be at a fraction of the price and would be released.
No, anything my lab did would have no bearing on medicines because we simply cannot investigate that, nor can our collaborators. If Pfizer wants, they can (their profit alone, last quarter, was 150 times the cost of this study). My lab is literally 6 orders of magnitude smaller than Pfizer.Well, exactly. Their priority is research that helps develop medicines. They have finite resources (even though those resources are bigger than in academia) and will prioritise their spending accordingly.
This whole thing is a nothing story. You read them a lot these days. Papers like the WP deluge big pharma with FoI requests, then desperately spin anything even vaguely interesting into an evil capitalist conspiracy.
Lack of transparency in clinical research is a real issue (even though it’s getting better) but this is a shitty example of it.
So what? $80m is $80m. It’s a big sum of money which they’re not going to invest in research that - in their well informed opinion - has slim to no chance of a positive outcome.No, anything my lab did would have no bearing on medicines because we simply cannot investigate that, nor can our collaborators. If Pfizer wants, they can (their profit alone, last quarter, was 150 times the cost of this study). My lab is literally 6 orders of magnitude smaller than Pfizer.
by that do you mean profitable outcome for shareholders?So what? $80m is $80m. It’s a big sum of money which they’re not going to invest in research that - in their well informed opinion - has slim to no chance of a positive outcome.
Yeah right dudePapers like the WP deluge big pharma with FoI requests, then desperately spin anything even vaguely interesting into an evil capitalist conspiracy.
I mean an outcome that justifies the investment.by that do you mean profitable outcome for shareholders?
Glad I taught you something interesting today.Yeah right dude
No they don’t.All these Pharmaceutical companies get huge public funding too for research.
You taught me that you just say things that arent true. The Washington Post as some sort of anti-capitaist muckraking institution is laughable.Glad I taught you something interesting today.
You don’t think newspapers have agendas? Of course they do. Their priority is selling newspapers/generating clicks, so they’re desperate to generate stories that will appeal to their demographic. Which is left-leaning. Or do you think the WP is immune to the effects of capitalism you keep banging on about?You taught me that you just say things that arent true. The Washington Post as some sort of anti-capitaist muckraking institution is laughable.
The Washington post isnt left leaning, more centrist. Even more though, every single major paper or even regional paper is pro-capitalist. It's not even debatable. The Washington post is owned by Jeff Bezos and yet you think it's got an anti-capitalist agenda. I dont even know what to tell you.You don’t think newspapers have agendas? Of course they do. Their priority is selling newspapers/generating clicks, so they’re desperate to generate stories that will appeal to their demographic. Which is left-leaning. Or do you think the WP is immune to the effects of capitalism you keep banging on about?
As it happens, I like their agenda. It’s important that at least some big newspapers in the US are left-leaning. They publish a lot of good stuff. The article you shared is silly though. Completely insubstantial.
you are wrong.No they don’t.
I suspect I’m slightly better informed than you are on this topic but meh, whatever.you are wrong.
I think AOC is slightly more informed than you are on this topic but meh, whatever.I suspect I’m slightly better informed than you are on this topic but meh, whatever.
Whats the criteria for an "outcome that justifies investment"?I mean an outcome that justifies the investment.
If anyone has an idea how to generate the sort of money needed to do research on that scale where it doesn’t matter what the outcome is then I’m all ears. Judging by the shitty and wasteful way the government invests money in anything to do with healthcare I’d be wary about giving them that sort of responsibility.