Yes, he's an attacking player.
Henrikh Mkhitaryan | Roma player
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
he might do better under Wenger but he's certainly not good enough for us in Mourinho system and couldn't give his all either. I won't miss him a bit and well I haven't seen the game but I believe he will be erratic for Arsenal too, assisting 3 home against shit Everton team,great first game for him, didn't he had 5 in 3 for us?
If he turns out to be good for them then I am happy for him and us, because Arsenal might do another transfer with us, something which looked like a fraud in the beginning. Judging player after a single game, well...
If he turns out to be good for them then I am happy for him and us, because Arsenal might do another transfer with us, something which looked like a fraud in the beginning. Judging player after a single game, well...
Point me to where I said Mkhi is great?
No, I'm saying their fans expect to. Read before you reply.
think jose has let go of another gem here. just like KDB, salah, mata and lukaku. mikhi has best in the world in his position and a lot here can tell and are worried he may be able to fulfil his potential as he did in dortmund. i think he will and united will regret it.
for some reason man utd have a problem with having top very talented attacking players flop really badly. i mean there's a lot of players clubs sign that don't quite "make it" but at united a lot seem to flop really badly for some reason. see di maria, mkhiti, falcao, depay, kagawa, zaha, forlan, rossi, chicharito.
the club needs to take better care of its players.
for some reason man utd have a problem with having top very talented attacking players flop really badly. i mean there's a lot of players clubs sign that don't quite "make it" but at united a lot seem to flop really badly for some reason. see di maria, mkhiti, falcao, depay, kagawa, zaha, forlan, rossi, chicharito.
the club needs to take better care of its players.
Nah. Poor post.
Di Maria is the only one that disappointed me and that was due to LvG.
Mkhitaryan has had two games at Arsenal and was anonymous in the first. He's a good player but we swapped him for a great one. No regrets.
Falcao couldn't handle the PL - he moved to Chelsea and still struggled so to single out United is silly.
Zaha is another good player but not a great one. His level is probably top ten.
Forlan didn't settle but still did okay at the club.
Hernandez had a great career at United and was moved on after a season of poor form.
Depay is hardly setting the world alight in France, Kagawa is doing okay back in Germany but was another that didn't seem to suit the PL.
You could name an equal number of Arsenal flops or failures (in fact even more if I wanted).
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Best in the world?
When was that?
What a strange group of players you added there too.
Not all of those are great forward players. Good yes, good enough for United no. Some of them.
And Chicharito flopped at United? Really?
So he's not great and evil Jose didn't ruin him?
who would you rather bring in? as i said i think we need to prioritize other parts of the squad. the attack should be the least of our worries
Just contrast Sanchez today to what Mhki was like for us the past few months. Oh and Mhkis first assist today was pure luck. It should have been cleared. His second assist was offside. The third was good, but the first two should not have happened. Wait till you see Arsenal come up against a good team and he will disappear.
Not great. I think he's better than Pogba or Sanchez though.
That's laughable to say the least. But carry on.
This threads going to be pretty unbearable isn't it.
I'm very interested to see how he does V Spurs next weekend.
I'm very interested to see how he does V Spurs next weekend.
That was his second season. His first season was not as dire, but he was generally considered a disappointment. He put up decent numbers, but he wasn't a game changer. As was often pointed out, he tended to pad his numbers in high-scoring games, only to disappear when the going got tough.
Wumming? He has done nothing to show he's anywhere near those two.
I'm pretty sure that was Mkhi's second season when Dortmund as a whole struggled, his first season at Dortmund was 13-14 coming in as a replacement for Gotze and he didn't play particularly well IIRC. The season before for Shakhtar in CL I was more impressed with Willian and Fernandinho.
Mou isn't getting the best out of anyone right now but Mkhi's had one great season in terms of productivity in a well-oiled machine that used him to perfection. His skill set is limited and it shows when his team isn't doing well.
Fair enough. But still not enough to change my opinion about Mou and creative players.
That great season was under Tuchel, also with my personal opinion on Mou and creative players I am not saying he was the ideal player, but certainly with another type of manager would perform better imho.
I hate to say it but he was brilliant today, yes Everton were poor but they okayed great football.
I don't think Jose has a problem with attacking player, but he wants them to play how he says. Mhki reminds me a bit of Van Der Vartt, u simply have to give him a fee role. I don't think Jose does free roles.
No offence taken. Just said they are “incredibly good when things are going well for them” like today and Palace, they can annihilate teams. But that’s obviously not always the case. Generally lack the backbone to be an incredible side generally.
Even if that is the case, Mkhi isn't good enough to have a free role at the highest level.
If he shines on a same day as Alexis does and he's not playing against us, I am happy for him. He'll surely have couple of this games for Arsenal where he plays beautifully and gets three assists or few goals. Could be it was a good business for both clubs and I really don't mind that.
(might be biased since lately I didn't feel like we were competing with Arsenal for anything
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(might be biased since lately I didn't feel like we were competing with Arsenal for anything
)It's because Tuchel plays a method of football that plays to Mkhitaryan's strengths, that being working in a well drilled attacking team with well coached attacking tactics, Mourinho doesn't coach this and so Mkhitaryan suffered, because we have an attack that relies on players to produce special moments instead of attacking together as a unit. People can say what they want but the fact is, whilst Mkhi did create some of his own problems, Mourinho has played a huge part here in why he failed, tactically he didn't fit and clearly he didn't know how to deal with him as a person.
Complete and utter myth. People literally have no proof of this. You are naive if you think we do not work on attacking patterns and link play in training. Is Lingard's form just down to special moments from himself? Him and Mkhi play in the same position.
Did Martial, Lingard, Pogba and Lukaku not destroy Arsenal? Was this just down to individual special moments? Most home games we have the majority of possession and you think Mourinho just relies on individual moments of brilliance?
He’s a classic Arsenal player: on a good day, brilliant. On a bad day anonymous, just like he was for United.
Everton were awful. No real closing down in dangerous positions leaves gaps all over the show. Never easy to look good against any PL team, but easier against that today.
Everton were awful. No real closing down in dangerous positions leaves gaps all over the show. Never easy to look good against any PL team, but easier against that today.
How is Mkhitaryan better than Pogba and Sanchez?
I know his great numbers came under Tuchel. I don't disagree that Mkhi would be better with another manager because as I said I don't think Mou is getting the best out of anyone right now let alone creative players, I still don't know what our team's identity is.
You don’t build a side around a player like Mkhitaryan in the PL. He’s not physical enough and goes missing far too frequently. He’s a talented player, no doubt but not that good.
Mhki was world class today. Better than Sanchez
You're a WUM
People already forgotten how he played for us, go re-watch replays. Bebe`s crossings, loosing ball left right center, failing to pass 5 yards passes etc. He is at new club, with different way of playing, new start, he is classic Arsenal player in so many ways.
Where is the highest level?
Fighting for the league & CL.
I’m not even sure how you’ve come to this conclusion and why you’re even comparing.
Depay is smashing it in France! 11 goals and 8 assists in 30 games this season. Was pretty decent last season as well
Very good player, but not a United player, sadly enough.
Yes? my proof is that our attack plays the opposite of every other team that relies on this tactical approach, yes they destroyed Arsenal, but you are proving my point, particularly in the Arsenal game, Lingard scored because of a brilliant touch and turn from Martial, individually players had some special moments to bring us the win, when we attack as a team we look clueless half the time on how to progress it from back to front and forego simple through balls or passes for example, transitions are poor, vast amounts of empty space in the midfield that nobody is exploiting because players mostly stand in line with defenders and don't come for the ball, standing off and not pressing much, I could go on. I'm not saying we don't work on attacking, everyone of course does, but there is no proof on the pitch that we take a modern day tactical approach to attacking like a lot of the bigger clubs do now. You only have to watch football to notice the difference.
Lingard's in the form of his life currently which is great for us, but he's been dross for seasons before that, if he keeps this up and betters it consistently for a season, and has a season like Mkhitaryan did at Dortmund then we should talk about Lingard, he's obviously a player more suited to Mourinho's style of play, but he's half the player Mkhitaryan is currently, he just happens to be better for us right now.
Then why did we bother to buy him if we weren't gonna play to his strengths, same situation as Kagawa. Didn't need to build the team around him to do that
I've got a feeling some of you will be back here to remind us about that, every game he plays.
"Fun fact", in his first start for Arsenal, Mkhi's already got the same amount of assists as Mata has for all season.
We swapped him for Alexis though
Miki's "average" season is better than lingards best...
Speaking of lingard, that " phase " seems ( recent form)well and truely over.
Mkhitaryan is brilliant when the game is easy, but when the going is tough and teams gets into your faces, Mkhitaryan folds into his shell. This is my problem with him considering more than 50% of premier league teams get into your faces, you have to dig deep to get the win. Proper Arsenal player since they always fold anyway and blame the referee.