Three players eh? What a prick that Jose is!
Henrikh Mkhitaryan | Roma player
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You're talking complete shite.The media don't criticise them?. Let me guess, the aliens have abducted the real Pogba too.
And see the bit where I state that this has been the case with other players under Mourinho..
If we're all honest he's made for Arsenal, the question is will be one of their famous vanishing players when times go bad.
Sorry, I hadn't fully finished writing the first reply and accidentally posted. Edited now. What I'm saying is that Arsenal (their board) are very happy to finish top 4, as is their manager it seems. If you're seriously arguing that media pressure on Arsenal is the same as it is on United then I don't know what to sayThe media don't criticise them?
And see the bit where I state that this has been the case with other players under Mourinho..
Then why don't you respond with something of substance instead of stuff like this?
That's the key really. Arsenal showed a similar kind of performance against Palace just two weeks ago!
I'm reading these two sentences over and over again and trying to decipher what point you're trying to make.
Football team are good when things go well. Football team are bad when things go not well...right?
They had a long period of bad results, but they comfortably finished in the upper half of the table while also reaching the cup final.
Mkhitaryan played a big part in that bad run of results, btw.
He ruined countless attacking plays that season by bad decision making, over- or underhit passes, running into opponents with the ball. I guess you get the picture after having watched him for United.
Credit to Mourinho for taking Mkhitaryan out of his misery.
Klopp foolishly stayed loyal to him till the end.
Good for him, not surprised he has a good start with a manager who wants him. We'll see if he keeps it up
Sorry it's not clear. Just meant the ability to turn things around from one exceptional moment or at worst grind out results. The best teams don't solely win with everything going their way.
I don't think we're that great at either to be honest but we're better at it than Arsenal.
I could believe they were 10, given how they’re acting.
What? How the feck does that make sense? You think Mourinho didn't want him even though he was the one who... wanted the board to bring him here?
Nothing remarkable about 3 assists to be honest. First was a fluke, second offside and third poor marking.
I mean if he wanted him he wouldn’t have let him go surely? It’s not a case of us not being able to pay money for Sanchez.
because i've tried and you just ignore it.
What about the FA Cup scenario i presented to prove the pressure is different?
LVG finished 5th and won the FA cup and it wasn't good enough and he was sacked.
Wenger finished 5th and won the FA cup and the Arsenal board gave him a new contract with a nice pay rise.
It's gonna several matches to see it but it looks like he truly didn't give a feck regarding his Man Utd career.
He obviously wanted him at the start and it was Mkhis mentality and poor performances that turned him off. It's a bit ridiculous to suggest that Mkhi will shine now he's "wanted" after one game.
Can I not argue this with players like Toure and Ibra under Pep? Im sure you can say this about any manager.
I addressed this. Fan expectation is what players are exposed to, way more so than board expectation.
The whole mentality argument doesn't have any logical basis. Arsenal play in front of 60,000, they have a global following of millions and are broadcast globally every game. There is huge pressure on the manager to get them challenging for the title.
This is not really different from the situation at Manchester United, and if Mkhitaryan did indeed have some kind of mental problem - as many on here suggest, then they would be felt just as much at Arsenal. In fact, maybe he should quit football altogether if he is so mentally weak.
It's no surprise to see him play like that, he did it many times for us. But when it gets tough, he'll crumble, just like the rest of his team. But the no pressure environment will suit him down to the ground, and I expect lots of pundits slagging off Jose for not getting the best out of him.
Considering the context of teams that Pep has managed? No.
Jose sold de Bruyne and Salah and still won the title. Weak response.
He'll probably ignore this one. Every single manager has had multiple players that they couldn't get the best out of but have been good elsewhere. But it's only Mourinho who can't coach attacking talent.
Mkhi and Sanchez are both playing much better for their new clubs than they have for their previous clubs in the past few months. Desire to impress plus perhaps to prove a point.
When Pep swapped Eto'o for Ibra and then Mourinho knocked Barca out with Eto'o in his team and won the CL. A year later Pep sells Ibra
.Well, against Everton 3 assists. i assume he is an attacking player.
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He looks the perfect player for our system. Excellent 1 and 2 touch pass and go with Ozil, Ramsey and Iwobi behind a pacey Aubameyang. Loads of movement, suprisingly pacey, very accurate final ball. He also pressing and defended very well, won the ball 7 times today. Intelligent player.
It's only a poor Everton performance so we'll see how it goes.
It's only a poor Everton performance so we'll see how it goes.
Pep is truly shite at coaching attacking talent I guess. I mean the evidence is there. I bet Klopp could get the best out of Mkhitaryan. Oh wait, he couldn't for two years and Tuchel came in and Mkhitaryan immediately had an amazing season. Guess Klopp is shite tooWhen Pep swapped Eto'o for Ibra and then Mourinho knocked Barca out with Eto'o in his team and won the CL. A year later Pep sells Ibra
Nonsense. Jose destroys attacking players and Guardiola and Klopp are Gods.
One player had that much of an impact on their form? I find that extremely hard to believe.
Amogst all the bullshit that gets posted, people just end up posting whatever suits their agenda. He IS a good player and had some wonderful performances for us. He started the season on fire, contrary to popular belief, and bagged a bunch of assists - in fact, he was most creative player in the league after 3 or 4 games. Then he fell away, for absolutely no reason whatsoever. He came back but he was so shit, it was Bebe like. He tried to do stuff, and prove a point, but he just wasnt able to produce. The swap deal will work wonders for both teams. Its just that Arsenal are so bad defensively which is why you arent much better off as a whole.
He's obviously going to look good for this Arsenal side because they frequently carve teams open just like today. In the same breath, it's Arsenal. They self-destruct just as easily as they score. Mkhi will be a great player for them because he, like everybody in that Arsenal team, will bear no responsibility when they do fall apart.
Unfortunately we'll only be reminded of his flashes of brilliance and it'll look like we missed out massively. The truth is that we didn't because Mkhitaryan couldn't take us to the next level - he's too weak mentally.
Unfortunately we'll only be reminded of his flashes of brilliance and it'll look like we missed out massively. The truth is that we didn't because Mkhitaryan couldn't take us to the next level - he's too weak mentally.
Ozil's actually taken on a lot of responsibility for the bad performances the last few years. Doesn't always act on it in a classy way (like walking off the field without clapping the away fans after a loss) but he has been vocal even a little of Wenger last year. He is not even close to an ideal captain but Ozil has done better than our actual captains in showing leadership the last two years ironically.
It is a mentality issue, but not the kind a lot of people think it is. From my perspective, it has nothing to do with pressure. It has everything to do with confidence, confidence of the manager and support of the manager. If you follow his career, the guy has struggled when people didn't believe in him, but once the manager said "right, you're the guy, I have 100% faith in you, go out and play" he hit his stride.
Is that a good fit for United? I don't know, probably not, because while I think Mkhitaryan is a very good player, I don't think for United he is an untouchable player. For Mkhitaryan to thrive, he needs to be pretty much untouchable in the pecking order. Will he get that at Arsenal? Maybe. Maybe more than here? Maybe he will feel like he has more support from the manager at Arsenal? I don't know. What I do know is, Mkhitaryan seems like a player that needs to feel like he is appreciated, needed, and useful. It took awhile for him to get that at Dortmund, and when he did get it, he became the player we bought. Did he ever have that here? Probably at the beginning, but his inconsistency called him into question, and then it was a slipery slope.
I like Jose as a manager, but I don't think he is necessarily a great man manager when it comes to soothing ruffled feathers.
Good insight, and certainly offers a more realistic rationale for his time at Old Trafford. I think style of play has something to do with it too.
Given some of the poor play Mkhi had here that can't be put down to being played in the wrong system, doesn't he bear a big part of the responsibility for not making it?
He had lots of good moments for us but ultimately was too soft, a classic Arsenal player. One game against a shambolic Everton tells us nothing.
after one game you concluded Mickhi is great and Jose was ruining him. Then you said you'll give it a few more games to make a definite conclusion. I wonder if he runs into bad form what you're tune will be.
Exactly he was receiving a lot of praise for performances against Swansea and West Ham who 2 of the poorest teams in the league and eventually sacked their managers. As soon as the quality of opposition rose his form dropped. There was one game not long ago where he was struggling to make successful short passes.
Where's the white text?