Yes, he's an attacking player.Well, against Everton 3 assists. i assume he is an attacking player.
Yes, he's an attacking player.Well, against Everton 3 assists. i assume he is an attacking player.
Point me to where I said Mkhi is great?after one game you concluded Mickhi is great and Jose was ruining him. Then you said you'll give it a few more games to make a definite conclusion. I wonder if he runs into bad form what you're tune will be.
No, I'm saying their fans expect to. Read before you reply.You're telling me Arsenal's board expect to be challenging.
Have you been living under a rock?
Their owner literally said he didn't buy them to win titles.
Nah. Poor post.think jose has let go of another gem here. just like KDB, salah, mata and lukaku. mikhi has best in the world in his position and a lot here can tell and are worried he may be able to fulfil his potential as he did in dortmund. i think he will and united will regret it.
for some reason man utd have a problem with having top very talented attacking players flop really badly. i mean there's a lot of players clubs sign that don't quite "make it" but at united a lot seem to flop really badly for some reason. see di maria, mkhiti, falcao, depay, kagawa, zaha, forlan, rossi, chicharito.
the club needs to take better care of its players.
Best in the world?think jose has let go of another gem here. just like KDB, salah, mata and lukaku. mikhi has best in the world in his position and a lot here can tell and are worried he may be able to fulfil his potential as he did in dortmund. i think he will and united will regret it.
for some reason man utd have a problem with having top very talented attacking players flop really badly. i mean there's a lot of players clubs sign that don't quite "make it" but at united a lot seem to flop really badly for some reason. see di maria, mkhiti, falcao, depay, kagawa, zaha, forlan, rossi, chicharito.
the club needs to take better care of its players.
So he's not great and evil Jose didn't ruin him?Point me to where I said Mkhi is great?
No, I'm saying their fans expect to. Read before you reply.
who would you rather bring in? as i said i think we need to prioritize other parts of the squad. the attack should be the least of our worriesYes but we're against a side which doesn't have quite good anywhere in their attack. Its either good or top quality. Same with our UCL opponents. I like Lingard I think he offers alot. Starting 11, I think we need to raise that standard.
Just contrast Sanchez today to what Mhki was like for us the past few months. Oh and Mhkis first assist today was pure luck. It should have been cleared. His second assist was offside. The third was good, but the first two should not have happened. Wait till you see Arsenal come up against a good team and he will disappear.think jose has let go of another gem here. just like KDB, salah, mata and lukaku. mikhi has best in the world in his position and a lot here can tell and are worried he may be able to fulfil his potential as he did in dortmund. i think he will and united will regret it.
for some reason man utd have a problem with having top very talented attacking players flop really badly. i mean there's a lot of players clubs sign that don't quite "make it" but at united a lot seem to flop really badly for some reason. see di maria, mkhiti, falcao, depay, kagawa, zaha, forlan, rossi, chicharito.
the club needs to take better care of its players.
Not great. I think he's better than Pogba or Sanchez though.So he's not great and evil Jose didn't ruin him?
That's laughable to say the least. But carry on.Not great. I think he's better than Pogba or Sanchez though.
That's laughable to say the least. But carry on.
That was his second season. His first season was not as dire, but he was generally considered a disappointment. He put up decent numbers, but he wasn't a game changer. As was often pointed out, he tended to pad his numbers in high-scoring games, only to disappear when the going got tough.Not really, only in his first season under Klopp where the entire team was struggling, under Tuchel he performed really well, just think about the amount of creative players who lately Mourinho seems to not take the best of them.
Wumming? He has done nothing to show he's anywhere near those two.Not great. I think he's better than Pogba or Sanchez though.
I'm pretty sure that was Mkhi's second season when Dortmund as a whole struggled, his first season at Dortmund was 13-14 coming in as a replacement for Gotze and he didn't play particularly well IIRC. The season before for Shakhtar in CL I was more impressed with Willian and Fernandinho.Not really, only in his first season under Klopp where the entire team was struggling, under Tuchel he performed really well, just think about the amount of creative players who lately Mourinho seems to not take the best of them.
Fair enough. But still not enough to change my opinion about Mou and creative players.That was his second season.
That great season was under Tuchel, also with my personal opinion on Mou and creative players I am not saying he was the ideal player, but certainly with another type of manager would perform better imho.Mou isn't getting the best out of anyone right now but Mkhi's had one great season in terms of productivity in a well-oiled machine that used him to perfection.
No offence taken. Just said they are “incredibly good when things are going well for them” like today and Palace, they can annihilate teams. But that’s obviously not always the case. Generally lack the backbone to be an incredible side generally.No offence as I've heard it before but we've been hearing this for years now. They really aren't incredible.
Even if that is the case, Mkhi isn't good enough to have a free role at the highest level.I don't think Jose has a problem with attacking player, but he wants them to play how he says. Mhki reminds me a bit of Van Der Vartt, u simply have to give him a fee role. I don't think Jose does free roles.
It's because Tuchel plays a method of football that plays to Mkhitaryan's strengths, that being working in a well drilled attacking team with well coached attacking tactics, Mourinho doesn't coach this and so Mkhitaryan suffered, because we have an attack that relies on players to produce special moments instead of attacking together as a unit. People can say what they want but the fact is, whilst Mkhi did create some of his own problems, Mourinho has played a huge part here in why he failed, tactically he didn't fit and clearly he didn't know how to deal with him as a person.Fair enough. But still not enough to change my opinion about Mou and creative players.
That great season was under Tuchel, also with my personal opinion on Mou and creative players I am not saying he was the ideal player, but certainly with another type of manager would perform better imho.
Complete and utter myth. People literally have no proof of this. You are naive if you think we do not work on attacking patterns and link play in training. Is Lingard's form just down to special moments from himself? Him and Mkhi play in the same position.It's because Tuchel plays a method of football that plays to Mkhitaryan's strengths, that being working in a well drilled attacking team with well coached attacking tactics, Mourinho doesn't coach this and so Mkhitaryan suffered, because we have an attack that relies on players to produce special moments instead of attacking together as a unit. People can say what they want but the fact is, whilst Mkhi did create some of his own problems, Mourinho has played a huge part here in why he failed, tactically he didn't fit and clearly he didn't know how to deal with him as a person.
How is Mkhitaryan better than Pogba and Sanchez?Not great. I think he's better than Pogba or Sanchez though.
I know his great numbers came under Tuchel. I don't disagree that Mkhi would be better with another manager because as I said I don't think Mou is getting the best out of anyone right now let alone creative players, I still don't know what our team's identity is.Fair enough. But still not enough to change my opinion about Mou and creative players.
That great season was under Tuchel, also with my personal opinion on Mou and creative players I am not saying he was the ideal player, but certainly with another type of manager would perform better imho.
You don’t build a side around a player like Mkhitaryan in the PL. He’s not physical enough and goes missing far too frequently. He’s a talented player, no doubt but not that good.It's because Tuchel plays a method of football that plays to Mkhitaryan's strengths, that being working in a well drilled attacking team with well coached attacking tactics, Mourinho doesn't coach this and so Mkhitaryan suffered, because we have an attack that relies on players to produce special moments instead of attacking together as a unit. People can say what they want but the fact is, whilst Mkhi did create some of his own problems, Mourinho has played a huge part here in why he failed, tactically he didn't fit and clearly he didn't know how to deal with him as a person.
You're a WUMNot great. I think he's better than Pogba or Sanchez though.
Where is the highest level?Even if that is the case, Mkhi isn't good enough to have a free role at the highest level.
Fighting for the league & CL.Where is the highest level?
I’m not even sure how you’ve come to this conclusion and why you’re even comparing.Mhki was world class today. Better than Sanchez
Depay is smashing it in France! 11 goals and 8 assists in 30 games this season. Was pretty decent last season as wellNah. Poor post.
Di Maria is the only one that disappointed me and that was due to LvG.
Mkhitaryan has had two games at Arsenal and was anonymous in the first. He's a good player but we swapped him for a great one. No regrets.
Falcao couldn't handle the PL - he moved to Chelsea and still struggled so to single out United is silly.
Zaha is another good player but not a great one. His level is probably top ten.
Forlan didn't settle but still did okay at the club.
Hernandez had a great career at United and was moved on after a season of poor form.
Depay is hardly setting the world alight in France, Kagawa is doing okay back in Germany but was another that didn't seem to suit the PL.
You could name an equal number of Arsenal flops or failures (in fact even more if I wanted).
Yes? my proof is that our attack plays the opposite of every other team that relies on this tactical approach, yes they destroyed Arsenal, but you are proving my point, particularly in the Arsenal game, Lingard scored because of a brilliant touch and turn from Martial, individually players had some special moments to bring us the win, when we attack as a team we look clueless half the time on how to progress it from back to front and forego simple through balls or passes for example, transitions are poor, vast amounts of empty space in the midfield that nobody is exploiting because players mostly stand in line with defenders and don't come for the ball, standing off and not pressing much, I could go on. I'm not saying we don't work on attacking, everyone of course does, but there is no proof on the pitch that we take a modern day tactical approach to attacking like a lot of the bigger clubs do now. You only have to watch football to notice the difference.Complete and utter myth. People literally have no proof of this. You are naive if you think we do not work on attacking patterns and link play in training. Is Lingard's form just down to special moments from himself? Him and Mkhi play in the same position.
Did Martial, Lingard, Pogba and Lukaku not destroy Arsenal? Was this just down to individual special moments? Most home games we have the majority of possession and you think Mourinho just relies on individual moments of brilliance?
Then why did we bother to buy him if we weren't gonna play to his strengths, same situation as Kagawa. Didn't need to build the team around him to do thatYou don’t build a side around a player like Mkhitaryan in the PL. He’s not physical enough and goes missing far too frequently. He’s a talented player, no doubt but not that good.
I've got a feeling some of you will be back here to remind us about that, every game he plays.People already forgotten how he played for us, go re-watch replays. Bebe`s crossings, loosing ball left right center, failing to pass 5 yards passes etc. He is at new club, with different way of playing, new start, he is classic Arsenal player in so many ways.
We swapped him for Alexis thoughI've got a feeling some of you will be back here to remind us about that, every game he plays.
"Fun fact", in his first start for Arsenal, Mkhi's already got the same amount of assists as Mata has for all season.
Miki's "average" season is better than lingards best...Mkhitaryan is the definition of a one-season wonder in the very top leagues, has only ever had one statistically elite season in his career, the rest average at best, so people can stop talking about him like he is some world class playmaker, his time at United has made it very clear the Mkhitaryan is not world class. Jesse Lingard is better.