Another great player Chelsea have no chance of signing because our players gave up last year. Yah!
Henrikh Mkhitaryan
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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That stat is wrong.
WhoScored has him down as 38 goals/assists in 48 matches which is still pretty phenomenal.
Yeah it is. Big difference from 55 though.
Don't know how reliable this website is for stats
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/henrikh-mkhitaryan/profil/spieler/55735
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/henrikh-mkhitaryan/profil/spieler/55735
You are splitting hairs, its still very very productive.
It's not splitting hairs at all. 38 is a very good season. 55 is 3 less then Messi and nearly 50% more (17 more then the actual tally). It's skewing people's opinion on him and setting expectations way too high.
I'd say very. It's basically a wiki site for football, that is you can register as a user and change things but the changes aren't automatic (admins go over them) and it won't meddle with stats. The stats come from match reports that hold the official stats so goals, assists and minutes should all be 99% correct whilst lineups are as correct as the team set it up. It's worth mentioning that leagues might count assists differently so that number could be lower than the real one. I wouldn't expect so from the big leagues however.
Transfermarkt counts the assists differently to most other sides. For example, the player who got fouled for a penalty gets an assist if the penalty is converted. And there are a few dubious things like that. The assist stats on transfermarkt are almost always higher than anywhere else because of how they count them. And it's not the leagues that count it differently, it's transfermarkt. It happens for La Liga players as well, not just Bundesliga players.
That's not dubious, that's how it should be counted imo. Leagues do count them differently as there isn't a rule according to the Laws of the Game that explains it. It's just "a contribution by a player which helps to score a goal". Just like an OG would contribute to an assist for the player that made the cross/shot or someone that had their shot rebounded.
For the record the World Cup records assists the same way as Transfermarkt which is probably where they get their criteria from.
I agree. Winning a penalty should definitely be considered an assist if it results in a goal.
Well, in theory I don't care how they count it as long as everyone counts it the same. It's pointless if assists mean significantly different things depending on the criteria one randomly chooses to use and in theory it should be one of the easier stats to count.
My problem with transfermarkt's way of counting assists is that it reflects creativity even less than for example whoscored's numbers do. And in many discussions assists have become a synonym for the creativity of a player. That's always flawed no matter how you count them, but it's even worse if you use transfermarkt's stats where completely uncreative actions like getting fouled can play a big role in your numbers. It probably comes down to what the assist stat is supposed to reflect compared to how it's used in most football discussions around the world. The transfermarkt stat just looks totally random to me very often.
Not seen enough of him really to judge but the 4 or 5 games i have seen he has never stood out.
According to kicker:
11 goals 20 assists in 31 BL Games.
5 goals 2 assists in 6 German Cup Games.
7 goals 10 assists in 15 EL Games.
23 goals 32 assists in 52 games last year.
They also use the transfermarket method.
11 goals 20 assists in 31 BL Games.
5 goals 2 assists in 6 German Cup Games.
7 goals 10 assists in 15 EL Games.
23 goals 32 assists in 52 games last year.
They also use the transfermarket method.
Ha you watched the wong games
Was going to tag you into this thread to get your views, so thanks
.The part about Dortmund is very interesting as well - the part about them sheltering/protecting their players because I think we've seen it first hand. Guys like Sahin not being able to replicate his form elsewhere, Gotze not being able to hold down a place in that highly competitive environment at Bayern and obviously with us, Kagawa whose confidence seem to have disappeared when things didn't go well for him.
Obviously their system they employ on the field helps as well.
I think if Mourinho works with someone like Mkhitaryan - it could go one of 2 ways - he'd either not be able to handle any sort of criticism from Mourinho or he'd love working with Mourinho if he turns out to be a favorite for Mourinho (who loves an attacking player who works hard, which Henrikh is). See Willian/AdM etc.
The guile or skill to regularly win fouls in dangerous positions is definitely 'creative' imo. It isn't an example of a player having good vision or awareness, but creating chances covers more than that.
Let's hope we don't buy him, i have no clue how to pronounce his name....
I use google translate for people's name
Mickdonalds
I'm loving it.
How is getting fouled a completely uncreative action? Often you're with the ball close to goal and the foul might prevent a goal. You might have dribbled past players and were in line for getting the assist but got fouled. Someone might have blocked your shot with his hand.
It's not like these kind of assists are skewing the data in any way. If you're getting 4 assists like that a season you're doing something right.
I just think it's so random. Some penalties happen out of creative situations, others just because the defender is clumsy in a non-threatening situation or even just because the referee got it wrong.
These stats don't necessarily skew the data, if you compare all assist stats based on the same criteria. Like I've said, I wouldn't mind if every stats website used the same criteria as transfermarkt does. It's better than what we have now with leagues, statistic sites, UEFA, FIFA, football magazines all using their own criteria which can be the same or vary quite a bit.
he wont leave this summer. you can take this for granted.
Materazzi showed great creativity when he goaded Zidane into headbutting him.
It doesn't matter much. No player is getting more than 1-2 assists per season because of pens asides from Barca players because teams don't get many penalties each season. It's not like assists tell you much in a vacuum. If a player is getting 10 assists each season there's obviously something too it but if he's between 2-6 a season there's probably not much of a difference in his game.
He's Armenian, I'm Armenian.
I hope we sign him
I hope we sign him
Think this could be the thread of the summer after the disappointment of Griezmann and probably Pogba. The Norwegian bullshitter linked us to him, lets hope there is something to it
We should sign David Schwimmer.
Don't forget Dembele, so many muppet tears
Reportedly a fan of Arsenal, but that doesn't always matter. I am fairly sure we can convince him that they are going nowhere with Wenger at the helm, while we are more likely to win something with Mourinho. Also he got sleezeball Raiola as an agent
This coupled with Jose being spotted at Dortmund matches a lot from December onwards makes me believe this one got legs
This coupled with Jose being spotted at Dortmund matches a lot from December onwards makes me believe this one got legs
Muh-Khi-Tar-yan
Or you can call him Heno or Muhko like every Armenian does.
Same, lav es axper? lolHe's Armenian, I'm Armenian.
I hope we sign him
The Europa League maybe?Reportedly a fan of Arsenal, but that doesn't always matter. I am fairly sure we can convince him that they are going nowhere with Wenger at the helm, while we are more likely to win something with Mourinho. Also he got sleezeball Raiola as an agent
This coupled with Jose being spotted at Dortmund matches a lot from December onwards makes me believe this one got legs
Great banter.
I always thought he was a no.10
Think his stats were decent last season?
I rarely watch Dortmund, so I don't consider myself to have a good opinion on him, but when I've watched them, I thought this guy looked shite and to be another workhorse.
Think his stats were decent last season?
I rarely watch Dortmund, so I don't consider myself to have a good opinion on him, but when I've watched them, I thought this guy looked shite and to be another workhorse.
It's all I've got
For one year yes. With Jose at the helm and our money I dare wager that we will at a minimum compete with you for the fourth place trophy, the get-in-we-won-a-throw-in competition and the odd cup here and there.
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