Brightonian
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Dive. Good one though. Seeing it live I was totally sold.
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Care to say why? We suffered our share of debatable decisions against us at Old Trafford before, so I don't see exactly why Chelsea would be immune to such at the Bridge.While on topic..Dean would not.have given us a peno even if JT shot one of our players in Chelseas box.
Hmm a have a feeling that while refs jave made a few mistakes that favoured our oppents none of that mistake was anything more than misjudgment.Care to say why? We suffered our share of debatable decisions against us at Old Trafford before, so I don't see exactly why Chelsea would be immune to such at the Bridge.
Either way, I have seen those given so many times before.
Would have stilled called it out as a dive. I would have celebrated the trophy though since all the times we were at the wrong end of referee's decisions we were not allowed to celebrate. These things even out over the course of a season is what I firmly believe (the underlying assumption is that it is a human error and not a conspiracy against us).It was a clear dive, at least clear to those who had a clear view of what actually happened.
And that's the thing about fouls in the box -- you never really know what is going to through the mind of the referee. The worst that can happen to you as a forward in that situation is a yellow card, but the worst that can happen to a defender in that situation is a pk AND a red card AND the draw. A win-win!
We can all condemn Herrera in this situation, quite rightly so, but what would we say if Herrera initiated the exact same trailing-leg contact and got the pk in a CL final that sealed the CL trophy for us? Yes, what then?
I have no love for Costa, but that's not clear-cut either.Clearly a dive. Same exact dive as what Costa attempted (and got away with) in the World Cup group stages against the Netherlands.
Really the main reason I don't rate Costa, and actually despise the man, is his incessant diving. He had another attempt at a "dive" just a few minutes later where he flopped over under minimal contact that game - fortunately the ref didn't award a penalty then, or it would have been 2-0 before the half.
Contact doesn't make it a penalty when it's Herrera who contrives to make the contact.Clear contact from both front and trailing leg. The convention these days is for the player to go down to show the referee that there's been contact and let him make the decision. In this case, the ref didn't have the bottle to give a soft penalty in the last second against Mourinho. Nothing wrong with what Herrera did and I'd have been slightly annoyed if he tried to play the moral high ground card and stayed up.
If you're talking about the one with Mowbray, that was arguably the greatest interview ever.You are right , the after match interview LvG gave was just strange.
How can in be a foul if the falling player moves his leg towards his opponent?Clear contact from both front and trailing leg. The convention these days is for the player to go down to show the referee that there's been contact and let him make the decision. In this case, the ref didn't have the bottle to give a soft penalty in the last second against Mourinho. Nothing wrong with what Herrera did and I'd have been slightly annoyed if he tried to play the moral high ground card and stayed up.
It's football. Legs are going to move in all directions. Any inference of intention is a judgement call, which is why referees exist. Whether we like it or not, in the current climate the player has to go down almost every time in order to signal contact, kind of like how you have to appeal in cricket. All I'm saying is that it's a grey area and I don't blame Herrera for asking the question. As has been said before, you've seen them given.How can in be a foul if the falling player moves his leg towards his opponent?
A foul should be awarded when you are impeded by an opposition player - not when you take the decision to go down and try to justify it by engineering "contact".
He expected a tackle, one didn't arrive and he tried to con the referee. Simple as that.
Rubbish.It's football. Legs are going to move in all directions. Any inference of intention is a judgement call, which is why referees exist. Whether we like it or not, in the current climate the player has to go down almost every time in order to signal contact, kind of like how you have to appeal in cricket. All I'm saying is that it's a grey area and I don't blame Herrera for asking the question. As has been said before, you've seen them given.
Should have written "foul" .. he created the situation is more correct.If he created it then surely it's not a foul? You can hardly say Cahill fouled him by allowing him to randomly clatter off him.
It was an obvious dive. But I'll go against the grain somewhat and sort of condone it. He was going nowhere and took the chance. Given the circumstances I'd probably suggest doing it again.
What is particularly irritating and pointless is diving incessantly, (see early Nani, Ronaldo and, for a period, Young) and when players go to ground when there is a chance to go on and score, (see Januzaj against Arsenal in the FA Cup).
Generally, I dislike diving, but there's a time and a place in the cynical world of football. Admitting to that isn't very worthy or ethical, mind you.
I think he said 'it's ref's decision to make' or something along the lines and immediately turned to Falcao's decision which he was perfectly entitled to as that was clearly a foul and won the game for Chelsea. As I said in the Mourinho thread, he just always tends to get that rub of green against us. I mean there was an identical challenge on Drogba (I think) a minute later and the ref whistled immediately.Didn't Van Gaal say after the game it was a definite penalty? Our Belgian pundits mentioned something about it. If so, that's a silly thing to do. Just admit it was a dive and get on with it.
Glad you have the ability to read minds. Us mortals have learnt to live with uncertainty.Rubbish.
What is and isn't a foul may be a "grey area" in certain circumstances. Moving your leg into contact with a defender and falling over, with the sole intention of convincing the referee that the defender has stopped you in your tracks does not fall into that grey area.
You might "see them given" - doesn't mean it wasn't a dive. Any United fan who thinks that's a foul needs to take the red tinted specs off. If we lost a close game 1-0 from a penalty given like that you'd rightly be livid.
He took a chance, didn't get the pen and got rightly punished. He isn't asking a question - he's actively tying to cheat because he didn't have to go down.
I'd prefer is if our players didn't do that personally. Eventually it results in said player being known for it and not actually getting anything - genuine or otherwise. It's counter productive to get that kind of reputation.
What does that even mean?Glad you have the ability to read minds. Us mortals have learnt to live with uncertainty.
Holy shit, what a post.very well, i only know a poll is to gather opinion, i've never learn opinion can come up to truth. so wise
but you know what? people just focus in the wrong area. herrera was not the subject, cahill did. the only thing it needs to determine whether if cahill committed a foul.
and this has already been well proven cahill made a foul on herrera. watch this:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ander-herrera-2014-2015-performances.392782/page-227
and also the pictures i put on the same thread earlier
and,
what happened after the collision really doesn't any matter
prove cahill didn't commit a foul with facts