High pressing

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  1. Aug 13, 2019 at 22:23

    jesperjaap Full Member

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    Not a fan of stats, distance covered showed we are fit and worked hard, does it show we pressed intelligently though? (as we didnt) A lot of people seem to associate the high press with Guardiola as though it is revolutionary, it isnt at all.

    The best lessons our Fergie fledglings learnt about where they were and how they needed to improve was in Oles days as a player with the times we played Juventus. They pressed from high up all over the pitch , hunting in packs of three in triangles. Didnt have stats in those days, they worked extremely hard, but be interested to see the stats as was so simple but cleverly done as I expect they didnt actually cover great distances with it either
  2. Aug 13, 2019 at 22:44

    LoneStar Full Member

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    Definitely. They were playing gung ho football and were there for the taking if you could come out of the press.

    Klopp tweaked his style last season, and it was far more effective. Probably helped them at the end of the season as well.
  3. Aug 13, 2019 at 22:53

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    Could argue this happened with Chelsea. They faded badly in that second half.
  4. Aug 13, 2019 at 22:57

    Greck Full Member

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    Like that people appreciate pressing is more than having players independently closing down the ball at a 100mph. It's got to be coordinated and tactical. If you can't eliminate all options you force them to make the lowest percentage pass. There's some brainwork to what Pep has his team doing beyond being fit and I'm curious to see Ole's version of it
  5. Aug 14, 2019 at 00:33

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    Sadly I think you're right.

    If Ole starts talking to the likes of Lingard, Pereira and McTominay about implementing a high press, they will probably think he wants them to turn up to post match interviews stoned.
  6. Aug 14, 2019 at 01:05

    SCJY New Member

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    I have no clue what this even means.
  7. Aug 14, 2019 at 02:53

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    The key is keeping possession once you have it to give the team breathing space

    Interestingly though if you look back in this thread you'll find this

    So in that Cardiff game you pressed more than any other team in Europe on your first go at it!
  8. Aug 14, 2019 at 08:03

    Lebowski Full Member

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    High press... doing the press conference high... get the pun now?
  9. Aug 14, 2019 at 08:37

    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    TO be fair I think the lads just had the weight of the world (or mourinho) off their shoulders and wanted to go out and show what they had.
    We played with a great intensity that game but obviously couldn't keep it up. That's where we need to be smarter. Press in the RIGHT way tactically, don't rush it and give the ball straight back if there isn't an opportunity, get your rest with the ball etc.

    That's why Pep's Barca team did it so well. They killed you with possession, they swarmed you if you won it back. They'd kick into a higher gear when they decided and blew you away.

    We won't ever develop that kind of control, but we do need to be a bit smarter especially in the early phases.l
  10. Aug 14, 2019 at 09:19

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    It didn't last long though, they were completely burnt out after 2 months, hopefully stamina/endurance has significantly improved now.
  11. Aug 14, 2019 at 09:51

    SilentWitness ShoelessWitness Staff

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    The fact that all of your players are talking about fitness during pre-season and how they're much fitter than last season kind of shows to me that they are working towards a pressing game and they're happy with it.

    I remember when Moyes was with you and he made players run they all hated it. Why? Because he would make people do running with no intent. He had a military style training regime that wasn't fit for purpose whereas Ole seems to be catering the running toward the pressing and making it all fit with each other.

    It's definitely a difficult tactic to master though. The reason that City/Liverpool don't get as burnt out with their pressing is because they're tactically astute with how they play. They're not 5-10 metres off players and needing to make up ground when pressing. They're already tight and hounding people. United need to make that step next to ensure the repeat of last season doesn't happen.
  12. Aug 14, 2019 at 10:45

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    There is no point pressing teams if the distance between your forwards and defence is huge, yes it works against Cardiff etc, but against better teams they will easily play out of the press by playing a ball into the midfield spaces, thats why teams have to be compact.

    Liverpool and City when they press have their CB's inside opponents half if they are pressing high, and drop as a group rather than individually.

    The other reason why City and Liverpool don't burn out is if they are 1-0 up and they are tired they keep the ball so well for long periods moving side to side tiring opponents out. They are getting a breather. Therefore; once the opponents get the ball they have much more energy to press and win the ball back.

    We cannot press the ball across 90 mins if we only have 40% possession.
  13. Aug 14, 2019 at 11:13

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    Liverpool was still lucky for me last year, I think at some point their pressing system is going to generate injuries again. Btw, Liverpool plays much more direct than City, they don't have much control on the ball, I don't understand how the caf thinks that Liverpool has become the equivalent of City or anything.

    City, typical Pep side, presses but also tries to control the ball and not give away, we will have to play them smartly and maybe the Liverpool way of going direct quickly is the answer against that side, still.

    People seem to think that we are not pressing well. We do press well, but one way to get out of the pressing is what Chelsea did to us in the 1st half, make *quick* transition out and avoid the first wave, then usually, the pressing team needs to get back in shape and defend rather than pressing. So if the other team is City or Liverpool and they press, one option is to find a way to bypass the first wave of pressing by quickly moving the ball, and that's definitely what we should aim to do.

    Otherwise, Ole implemented pressing at Molde too, it started with the striker, and with the intend to induce riskier passes from the opponent. He also defends compact, and ultimately, his team is usually very active in that regard. So why not let him implement that? I for one think he has the right ideas, but the only thing is that he may adapt a lot depending of the match.

    We might lose against City or Liverpool, I don't know. But I don't think we will lose like last time. This time, they will freak out because we will be ready to overrun them, and every ball loss will be a goal threat. Once you taste it a couple of times, they will become much more careful, I guarantee that.
  14. Aug 14, 2019 at 11:38

    Santoryo ripping the reward

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    Well said.

    I don't know how some people would think we're not pressing. Seems to me some are confusing pressing and controlling the game Pep style aka depriving the other team from getting on the ball.
  15. Aug 14, 2019 at 12:11

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    I'm not sure how one would confusing those two things. Yeah, they're both part of pep's style with the philosophy of keeping the ball, but pressing is what you do when you don't have the ball, and possession is what you do when you have the ball.

    With Ole and his high press, it seems to be more about catching teams on the turnover or on the break. I don't think it's going to work against City, but based on the personnel, I don't see another way either. Definitely exciting times ahead this season, that's for sure.
  16. Aug 17, 2019 at 21:19

    Andycoleno9 Full Member

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    In City-Spurs game we all could have seen how good pressing looks like. It is done with the whole squad not only with front 3.
  17. Aug 18, 2019 at 00:13

    criticalanalysis Full Member

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    That's interesting to hear from an Everton fan. For all of Moyes' failures I don't think what he tried to implement (better, higher intensity fitness) was neccessarily a bad thing, rather it was just a bad fit because he didn't have the personnel for it i.e an aging squad with a bunch of successful and strong headed characters.

    I say that because I remember his Everton sides being very fit and combatitive, playing well above the sum of their parts, which explains some of the optimism Utd fans like I had. If Fergie was dragging the team to success, what if we played and trained in a more structured way?

    I know Rio jokes about Moyes showing him the video of Jagielka on how to defend but it seems to me Moyes just wanted to coach and get the team playing his way. In a way the team did need it. That team was 50% Fergie and without his aura, you need to supplement that with fine tuned tactics and coaching on the training pitch.
  18. Aug 18, 2019 at 01:04

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    Agreed. It's systematic, it has specific phases and happens at specific times in specific areas of the pitch, is often targeted at specific players. There are different types of press, with different desired outcomes. It's as complex a part of the game as what you do on the ball. Requires the whole team to be well drilled and on the same wavelength. Otherwise you burn a lot of fuel, achieve nothing and just leave a load of gaps to be exploited.

    We're already showing promising signs under Ole. There were indications he was working on it last season too, and I think we're seeing half a season and a summer's improvement already.