How do we sell Harry Maguire?
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Well if we blow the entire £80 million on Maguire and high wages for everyone, then we can't really complain that we have no midfielder for years. It's a stupid waste of money.
And I agree with you, we need to ship half this lot out, preferably Maguire included.
In 20 years there will be a Netflix mini-series made about an English conman who made millions playing for Manchester United and England by tricking the world he was a fecking professional footballer.
He's here until the end of his contract, which will be extended for certain 
No one would ever buy him, and he'll never get a better gig.
No one would ever buy him, and he'll never get a better gig.
The price tag wasn't his fault but he is definitely not a great defender. I'm sure we can get ~£30m for him with how crazy prices are, maybe West Ham will want to replace Zouma. He is not a top four player anyway, without doubt.
Next it will be Pogba, before Maguire it was Sancho.
As for your point, none of our players have covered themselves in glory this year. The club is in a very bad moment and not an easy place to play football right now.
He's not athletic enough, or good enough at reading the game to play in a high line and this was very easy to see before we signed him. I don't know what our scouts/management were smoking that made them think he was worth £80 million.
It has to be an obvious goal scoring opportunity and he is so far from goal so it isn’t. Even Peter Walton said it wasn’t a red. As I said plenty of players have made mistakes this season and Maguire hasn’t been at his best but he alone is not responsible for our position.
You'd like to believe that this thread is an emotional reaction to today's game rather than exasperation that Maguire has proven, yet again, to be a liability for the umpteenth time this season.
He plays a vital position in the team that compromises so many others when he messes up. He is a liability, but you do not bench £80m players, so the alternative is to sell them... or play them.
You are making as much sense as the geniuses defending OGS on here for years even though it was clear he was not good enough.
Maguire does not even exercise the same profession as Pogba and Sancho talent-wise. The guy would be at home in the championship.
Body double for Pedro Pascal in the Mandalorian. He kind of looks like the Tesco version of him anyway.
To be fair, the Maguire one has legs. He hasn't been convincing since he arrived for stupid money. Had had a decent season when we finished second but he still had his moments then and Bruno carried us that year. He's just absolutely shite.
He has been very poor, I'm not defending his recent form. People seem to have short memories though, he's been a good player for us for the majority of the time he's been here. People saying he's the worst ever player are just giving emotional reactions.
Now you mention it, there is a likeness.
At best Bailly and Jones are above him too, joke of a signing and joke of a player, got 1 goal disallowed first half, he knew what he was doing, and then their... The words I would use to describe it would get me a ban in here.
And to think City bought Dias for £20m less, wonder what the differential is now?
He seems to lack spatial awarness as if he is playing with blinkers on or has tunnel vision, this added to his none ability to turn quickly and lack of recovery pace makes him a liability when players run at him. I believe his poor performances will continue as teams exploit his weaknesses and force him into mistakes.
There is also the added factors of his defensive partners losing confidence in his ability to defend and decision making. Can he improve, at 29 I would say he has reached the peak of his physical ability, he certainly cannot improve his ability to turn quickly or improve his recover pace, and is only going to get slower with age.
There is also the added factors of his defensive partners losing confidence in his ability to defend and decision making. Can he improve, at 29 I would say he has reached the peak of his physical ability, he certainly cannot improve his ability to turn quickly or improve his recover pace, and is only going to get slower with age.
So therefore what? Therefore every and any negative view of Maguire should have an asterisk saying ‘and AWB has been a bit poor this year too and Bruno hasn’t been his best?’ Given the actual performances this man has been turning in, this constant finger pointing you are doing at everyone is unnecessarily defensive.
Agree. He's all over the shop regarding tactical aspect of defending. Shaw is similar to some extend, but he has speed to recover which he put to good use more often than not. These 2 together, and god forbid AWB would make it indefensible from tactical point of view.
At 46:39, when Jay Rodriguez made his initial run in behind, he was made off side. Varane made sure adjusting his position to Luke Shaw. Yet Maguire lack any sense of tactical awareness that he's shit scared and instinctually backed away from Weghorst running backward after the release of the pass, as if the pass is a through ball to a player running in behind. That gave Weghorst some breathing space to control the ball. Next at 46:42, Maguire closed down Weghorst with 2 options: keep the pressure by staying tightly, of commit to the tackle throughly taking Weghorst down even. He managed to do the impossible. He looked like he overcommitted, but completely let Weghorst cleanly loose.
Afterward Shaw shoulders the blame for failed offside trap, but at that point it's understandable that the shock of disbelief took away the situational awareness from Shaw. Seeing the situation live on TV, I couldn't understand what just happened. It's not easy to react correctly to this situation. Nobody can and should expect this outcome of that moment.
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But how can it be put to the side that a player of such importance, playing a vital role in the team, is costing us points with his errors?
Football is a team game, and fingers can be pointed at many of our players, but Maguire's consistency in being so poor makes his position as a starter untenable, and with that, his place at the club untenable as, again, you don't put £80m defenders on the bench.
You can't just write off a season for him and say go again next season as that is willful negligence and burying heads in sand rather than addressing the elephant in the room.
I don't think Maguire's ever lived up to his price tag, but this here is different gravy - his standard of performance is not acceptable.
feck’s sake. I didn’t see this one and bumped an old thread. Apologies.
Also, Maguire is the definition of the sunk cost fallacy.
Who cares you've spent £80m on him? Did Spurs make fun of their board for sacking Nuno and basically admitting they had a major feck-up? No, they cheered for a better late than never and kept supporting the team.
The issue for us is that we're run by absolute dumb chums, on both football and business matters and they cannot admit to being wrong, even though it's obvious to a blind man. Of course, he's also on stupid money but we need to write it off because he'll cost us way more long-term.
Bin this guy and start a new United.
Who cares you've spent £80m on him? Did Spurs make fun of their board for sacking Nuno and basically admitting they had a major feck-up? No, they cheered for a better late than never and kept supporting the team.
The issue for us is that we're run by absolute dumb chums, on both football and business matters and they cannot admit to being wrong, even though it's obvious to a blind man. Of course, he's also on stupid money but we need to write it off because he'll cost us way more long-term.
Bin this guy and start a new United.
This was obvious to anyone with eyes who bothered to watch Diaz play at the time.
He seems like a weak willed player. He was horrible after the Mykonos incident, got better the more positive the coverage around him became, very good in the euros and the feel good team they had going, started the season average, but got worse when coverage worsened in the media. Had his San Marino nonsense blow up and looked even more incompetent. He clearly pays attention to what the press writes about him and it seems to affect him greatly - which is very worrying when it comes to his position and role at the club.
I don't think I've seen a defender be more affected by media coverage than him. Given the media pressure at Man Utd we probably need to replace him sooner rather than later. He'd probably do wonderfully for someone like Everton though.
infuriating stuff.
First he should go straight back to the bench.
What are you even on about? People seem to be pinning our whole seasons failures on Maguire when I am pointing out it is more than that. I have clearly stated Maguire hasn’t been at his best this season.
These are all questions for the manager to answer, why a solid performer who rarely made mistakes has turned into a disaster waiting to happen overnight. Same questions should be asked of Shaw, AWB, Ronaldo, Rashford, Bruno etc...
Yes we over paid mainly due to the English tax and United being United. But he isn't the first or last it shouldn't be what defines him.
What’s more annoying is that with his lack of pace, you’d think his positional and tactical awareness would be top notch but those two aspects are probably his worst. I could understand if he had pace to recover but he commits himself to the silliest tackles.
Just look through his mistakes - so many things that could be avoided by just keeping a cool head and having a bit of awareness.
If he was brilliant in everything else but had limitations with his mobility - he’d still be a brilliant player. They’re have been lots of slow defender whom could really read the game but he’s just dreadful.
I said the same thing in the match thread, but Maguire genuinely wouldn’t be a starter at centre back for Burnley. Bottom of the league Burnley. And they have better central defenders than him. What must Varane think seeing him as captain?
Like a used car at the side of the road. Half decent T-cut job, 6 months tax and mot. Sold as seen.
What’s worse is that that are numerous times where he does the exact same thing in different games, some lead to goals and some don’t and yet nobody pulls him up on this. Or they do but he’s just a braindead silly cnut that can’t help himself. Im going for the latter.
He's just not a defender who will you a league title. Wouldn't be such an issue had we not made him the single most expensive player in his position in the world.
Nah, he would start and look absolutely world class for Burnley. Sit in his own box for 90 minutes and head everything away - that's a job Harry Maguire was born to do.
Maybe he just needs for us to set up like a Sean Dyche team
Then leave everyone else alone if they want to say the same, in whatever way they choose to. And he’s easily been worse than any other performer you insist everyone else should be mentioning.
That shouldn't matter. No one thought he was anywhere near as good as Van Dijk. His price was inflated because of the potential work permit effects of a hard no deal brexit, and everyone knew that at the time.
Just get Newcastle interested at £40mil, they will think they've had a steal. Absolutely no way he can continue to be here next year.
Who the feck put you in charge? I’ll post wherever I choose and I’ve not insisted on mentioning anyone. I’ll stick to my view that he is not solely responsible for our mess.
By taking about a 60 mil loss I'm afraid.
How do you solve a problem like Maguire?
How do you catch a cloud and pin it down?
How do you find a word that means Maguire?
A flibbertigibbet! A will-o'-the wisp! A clown!
How do you catch a cloud and pin it down?
How do you find a word that means Maguire?
A flibbertigibbet! A will-o'-the wisp! A clown!
Send him on loan to Flamengo. That team accepted to purchase Pereira despite the fatal mistake in Libertadores final. They should be able to tolerate Maguire's error and buy him off us.
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