That is a special skill you have there.
How far are you prepared to see United fall?
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Agreed. I said in one thread that eventually people will look back on that 2nd place finish as an achievement, along with the cup wins. I tried explaining this whilst people were ripping Jose for saying it's one of his greatest achievements. There's just a severe lack of foresight with most people when it comes to football.
If we get to League 2, Football Manager would be fun managing United 
This might not be the worst team in the league this season but it will be the worst one to have to support. The clubs in danger of relegation will see some fight. We’ll see millionaire internationals content to finish mid table.
If we fall we fall.
But i just dont want we stubbornly fall for something stupid like giving rookie manager time because he happens to play for United once. Enough of this sentimentil young pashion academy shits.
Buy the best, hire the best, when we're stable enough then we think about youth etc.
But i just dont want we stubbornly fall for something stupid like giving rookie manager time because he happens to play for United once. Enough of this sentimentil young pashion academy shits.
Buy the best, hire the best, when we're stable enough then we think about youth etc.
I would gladly take a year out of top 6 avoiding Europa League. We will not be relegated so it doesn't matter if we finish 8 or 10 we won't fell lower. We cleaned up quite well, there will still be some more to go (Rojo, Jones, Matic...). A few youngsters will improve in the meantime (McT, Greenwood) some promising players will get better (James, WanB) and with 3-4 quality additions we should start an upward curve.
Just because you're relegated doesnt make you come back stronger.
Just because ole god forbid relegated us, it simply meant he's so bad that giving him another 3 years is stupidity.
Manchester United playing in championship. Let that sink for a while
It’s not Ole going that’s now at stake. It’s that time is no longer on our side. We squandered his time as caretaker and we messed up the transfer window with a catalogue of poor decisions. We are are no longer able to determine events but will get increasingly wagged by them. It’s a precarious position because if we lose Ole before January that will disrupt the transfer window for a new manager. If he remains and we continue to stutter we won’t attract the players we need. If we wait until summer we are back where we started. It’s Catch-22.
We will never find another SAF, but the club is so rich and world renowned its insane how we've been going round the same block for 7 years. I know Barca/Madrid/Bayern/Juve never had a manager for 3 decades but would they ever allow this soul destroying mediocrity for 7 years? Not a god damn chance.
fecking hell, some people thinking we'll go in to a relegation scrap. Get a grip, ffs.
We're this and the coming generation's Liverpool. I accepted it long ago, and will take what flak comes my way from my friends and social media. I've enjoyed an era of unprecedented success as a fan, and I'll take the bad (which isn't really even that bad - not when you compare it to real life, or even in sporting terms when you look at when we were relegated in 74, and I hate to bring it up, but Munich).
I think some of us need to either a) grow up; b) get out more; c) get a sense of perspective; or c) a combination of the three.
It's a game. It should never ever get to the point where people are ranting and raving, or posing questions like how far should we be prepared for us to fall, as if it is something of utmost importance.
EDIT - I saw this thread yesterday, and I think very many of us should also read it and bear what it says in mind:
We're this and the coming generation's Liverpool. I accepted it long ago, and will take what flak comes my way from my friends and social media. I've enjoyed an era of unprecedented success as a fan, and I'll take the bad (which isn't really even that bad - not when you compare it to real life, or even in sporting terms when you look at when we were relegated in 74, and I hate to bring it up, but Munich).
I think some of us need to either a) grow up; b) get out more; c) get a sense of perspective; or c) a combination of the three.
It's a game. It should never ever get to the point where people are ranting and raving, or posing questions like how far should we be prepared for us to fall, as if it is something of utmost importance.
EDIT - I saw this thread yesterday, and I think very many of us should also read it and bear what it says in mind:
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Its also a massive blow that neither of the probably the best managers in the world will ever manage you now. How the hell you missed out on both Pep and Klopp is beyond me.
I have no idea why Pep didn't listen to SAF in 2012 when asked to become the next man, maybe because he knew he wouldn't get a blank cheque book? With Klopp we already know he got turned off by Woody's "Adult Disneyland" sales pitch. You couldn't make that up if you tried, what an absolute clown.
How did Woody sell the "project"?
Not sure we ever had a chance of getting Pep as he was always the endgame for the City owners. Klopp we tried for and he turned us down. I'm sure they'll be others in the future (not on Pep's level though admittedly)
Re Pep and Fergie. They were seen in a restaurant in New York. Apparently Pep told Fergie that had already committed himself to City and there was no way back.
Moreover as Gullit (?) once said, no one wants to manage just after Fergie cause it s almost impossible to achieve what he did.
Maybe Pep considered that too.
I think we are 4 TOP players away from challenging for honours.
If this means 300million to bring these players in, then this should be our aim.
We have players that need to be moved out and this needs to continue in January and next summer.
If we have this money to spend then Woodward and the Glazers should put up or shut up. Sacking managers whilst making excuses is not the answer, getting a good team together for the faithful fans is what is needed.
4 Top players and some Youngsters promoted is what we would like to see.
If this means 300million to bring these players in, then this should be our aim.
We have players that need to be moved out and this needs to continue in January and next summer.
If we have this money to spend then Woodward and the Glazers should put up or shut up. Sacking managers whilst making excuses is not the answer, getting a good team together for the faithful fans is what is needed.
4 Top players and some Youngsters promoted is what we would like to see.
Pep hadn't even joined Bayern yet!? So how 4 years in advance had he committed to those blue w@nkers when he hadn't even managed one game for Bayern yet? He was on his sabbatical, and hadn't even committed to his next club, let alone City..
You re right. That was just before he took over Bayern.
Great post. Lots of really good points. In the OP I was basically looking to test the appetite that United fans have for continued recession in the name of needing to rebuild. You have addressed it really well in my view and I totally agree with the points that you have made.
He knew United hadn't been spending big, probably saw what we did with the Ronaldo money and thought FECK that!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ld-have-ended-man-utd-manager-had-understood/
Here Guardiola says Fergie did not make him any offer but he spoke so quickly he did not understand everything he was saying..
Here Guardiola says Fergie did not make him any offer but he spoke so quickly he did not understand everything he was saying..
Was he high?
They got relegated for match fixing i think. Not as part of a tactical rebuild.
At the time we were skint. Maybe he knew that the no value mantra in reality meant no money mantra
Whatever the hell he's smoking, I need some of it to get over this depression every weekend watching the once feared Man United play..
This.
Our owners/Woodward continue to make bad managerial choices with no long term vision and we'll be going round in cirlces for years until the main objective of the club changes. Thats one of the hardest things to take, you look at other clubs and they're smarter & more ambitious.
Utd must be the worst run club in the world pound for pound. No one is currently underachieving like us. Liverpool's excuse in the 90's - they missed the boat in terms of the PL's commercial power. They got left behind. We don't have that excuse, we're loaded, our profile is the biggest. The clubs potential is vast.
Thats the beast Fergie built. And its a tradegy how badly things have gone since the great man finished. There'll be case studies in years to come about this period in Utd's history. How to destroy a dynasty.
We were never skint, its Man United not Tranmere Rovers. Glazers knew they could be stingy because SAF was getting the best out of the squad to a miraculous level, whilst adding average players like Obertan, Bebe, Diouf and co.At the time we were skint. Maybe he knew that the no value mantra in reality meant no money mantra
I think that was already 15-17 for us: a FA and a EL.
I'd be happy see you sink to National League level. Nothing personal though, I feel that way about most Premiership clubs, including Liverpool, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal and (to a slightly lesser degree) Spurs.
Why does this thread ask - how far we prepared to see United fall.
I think it is fair to say that none of us are prepared to see the club fall any further.
But. The point is that the vast majority of us have zero influence in the club's fall or rise.
All we as loyal fans can do is to continue to give the club and the team all our support.
It is the responsibility of those employed by Manchester United to do their utmost to arrest the disastrous fall and turn it around.
I think it is fair to say that none of us are prepared to see the club fall any further.
But. The point is that the vast majority of us have zero influence in the club's fall or rise.
All we as loyal fans can do is to continue to give the club and the team all our support.
It is the responsibility of those employed by Manchester United to do their utmost to arrest the disastrous fall and turn it around.
Funny thing to consider, and with the same sentiment expressed before: doesn't matter how far we fall, most, I hope, will endure ( good grace or not ) the descent, right there along side them.