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It's like the "Ole got us 3rd last season".Jesus christ this fecking argument again - after 1/4 of the season played. Where would you honestly put your money right now?
It's like the "Ole got us 3rd last season".Jesus christ this fecking argument again - after 1/4 of the season played. Where would you honestly put your money right now?
Did I say it would automatically happen? No. Ole isn't even the reason we were in the CL or a position to challenge, Bruno single-handedly carried us to 3rd last season, and also a huge thanks to Leicester dropping off a cliff. He's got lucky, he changes our starting XI every single game like he's guessing who will work with who. There's no rythym with the players because of this. I don't think he has a clue what our best XI is. He said yes to buying VDB and has barely utilised him. Cavani has shown he deserves the starting spot ahead of Martial, but he continued to bench him (I know he's injured now, talking about before). And his game management is the worst I've ever seen, seen numerous people on here calling for changes to be made miles before Ole can see it himself. Rashford was injured against PSG, only takes him off 10 minutes later. Slow reaction time, and it's a major factor as to why we're struggling.If we didnt have Ole then we might not even be in a position to challenge anyway. If we are going to use words such as 'incompetent' to describe him, then surely its important that we balance that out by also giving him the credit he deserves for building this squad, no? Go back and look at the money spent, and how it was spent, before him to help you realise how that is not automatically going to happen.
To be fair, that argument only holds water if Ole is in sole charge of recruitment and contract negotiation.If we didnt have Ole then we might not even be in a position to challenge anyway. If we are going to use words such as 'incompetent' to describe him, then surely its important that we balance that out by also giving him the credit he deserves for building this squad, no? Go back and look at the money spent, and how it was spent, before him to help you realise how that is not automatically going to happen.
So true.With a manager worthily of this squad it could challenge for the title, specially this year.
Not with Ole though. He is not on the same level as this squad, he is on a much lower level than the players.
Except we're not challenging and he's built a squad that doesn't fit his outdated tactics. We have won some games under his management but am not sure why we need to use this as an assessment of his achievement - am struggling to explain this, but isn't he expected to win games? Isn't that a major part of his job?If we didnt have Ole then we might not even be in a position to challenge anyway. If we are going to use words such as 'incompetent' to describe him, then surely its important that we balance that out by also giving him the credit he deserves for building this squad, no? Go back and look at the money spent, and how it was spent, before him to help you realise how that is not automatically going to happen.
You being fairly sure of something doesn't necessarily make it right, with respect. Everybody thinks they can manage a football team.Did I say it would automatically happen? No. Ole isn't even the reason we were in the CL or a position to challenge, Bruno single-handedly carried us to 3rd last season, and also a huge thanks to Leicester dropping off a cliff. He's got lucky, he changes our starting XI every single game like he's guessing who will work with who. There's no rythym with the players because of this. I don't think he has a clue what our best XI is. He said yes to buying VDB and has barely utilised him. Cavani has shown he deserves the starting spot ahead of Martial, but he continued to bench him (I know he's injured now, talking about before). And his game management is the worst I've ever seen, seen numerous people on here calling for changes to be made miles before Ole can see it himself. Rashford was injured against PSG, only takes him off 10 minutes later. Slow reaction time, and it's a major factor as to why we're struggling.
I'm fairly sure any decent level manager would do all this more effectively.
We can win the championshipAn injury to Bruno Fernandes.
He's changing the formation every game as well, plus his rotation choices are questionable.You being fairly sure of something doesn't necessarily make it right, with respect. Everybody thinks they can manage a football team.
Your point in bold is a good example. He kept a consistent starting XI at the end of last season. It contributed to us getting 3rd, but then it also probably cost us a trophy or maybe even two and over time it did not actually help with our rhythm. The opposite if anything. Managers have to rotate.
Unfair analysis just makes you come across as an agenda poster. We have enough of them already. I've seen Ole make mistakes during matches, and I've also seen him (quite recently in fact) make changes that have contributed to winning points from losing positions.
We're not challenging yet. Its too early to be definitively challenging for a title, but we are also not out of the race as things stand. We are right in there.Except we're not challenging and he's built a squad that doesn't fit his outdated tactics. We have won some games under his management but am not sure why we need to use this as an assessment of his achievement - am struggling to explain this, but isn't he expected to win games? Isn't that a major part of his job?
Under normal circumstances, for big teams, managers aren't sacked because their win % is 20%, 30% etc, they're sacked because they're expected to win many more games and deliver trophies.
I'd give the Brighton manager (and players) credit for saving his team from the drop last season or Wilder for placing Sheffield United in the top 10, on the other hand I wouldn't give the Villa manager credit last season for finishing just above the relegation zone after all the money spent. And the same applies to Ole, he's underperforming immensely.
I can't believe that he's given credit for building a squad which doesn't suit his style. Good players granted, but not for Ole. AWB can't cross, Maguire is so damn slow, Lindelof can't completement him and can't pass, what was the point of Ighalo, none of these guys fit the way Ole plays and Matic was given a long term contract. How do any of these make sense? It remains to be seen about this summer's transfers and Bruno is doing well.
Why does it matter? Its simply anti-Ole agenda. This doesn't exist in any other conversation. Nobody questions Klopps or Lampards or Peps or any other managers signings because other people were involved in the process. I have never ever seen a set of supporters be so creative in finding ways to criticise (or praise to be fair) a manager in history than this forum does with Ole. Its really bizarre.To be fair, that argument only holds water if Ole is in sole charge of recruitment and contract negotiation.
I dont have an issue with him changing formation as often as he does. Its clear that he favours a 4231 variation, and we use that most of the time, but that simply doesn't fit every opponent we are going to play. Its important to be able to adapt.He's changing the formation every game as well, plus his rotation choices are questionable.
Imagine beating PSG and Leipzig with a diamond midfield then abandon it in the return games..
Spot on and that is the fact which definitely gets lost by many at times,will even admit by myself in the last couple of days.We won’t win anything while Woodward is the CEO
It matters because I was responding to a post that was given Ole complete credit for the current squad.Why does it matter? Its simply anti-Ole agenda. This doesn't exist in any other conversation. Nobody questions Klopps or Lampards or Peps or any other managers signings because other people were involved in the process. I have never ever seen a set of supporters be so creative in finding ways to criticise (or praise to be fair) a manager in history than this forum does with Ole. Its really bizarre.
Managers always get the credit for the signings that are made during their tenure. They get the criticism too. That's how it works.It matters because I was responding to a post that was given Ole complete credit for the current squad.
Agree.Additions
1 Competent Manager
1 RW
1 CB to partner Maguire
1 CDM
1 Paul Pogba replacement
Subtractions
Ole
Pogba
He still needs a better structure above him and there looks to be no plans to implement one at allA world class manager away. Sir Alex would have won this squad a title. I sincerely hope we appoint Pochettino soon.
So you think all clubs that win titles and cups form time to time have great structure above the manager?He still needs a better structure above him and there looks to be no plans to implement one at all
Agreed though if we just played Tuanzebe and VDB we would also improve a lot on those two things you mentioned. At the very least would be a lot more balanced. But yeah need a competent manager first.Squad wise we’re really close. Centre back & a DM. Fergie would win the league this season with this squad.
The biggest change we need is the coaching. The players are horribly coached right now.
I think a competent manager could challenge this season.
The biggest difference being that Roman's aim every season is success on the pitch whereas our owners are just focused on making money. So the reason he has hired and fired so many is because he wants the best for his team. If you don't hit the requirements then he will get rid of you in a flash.So you think all clubs that win titles and cups form time to time have great structure above the manager?
This excuse has became so lame it’s untrue.
Chelsea have always been scattered in their approach, hiring, sacking managers, buying players, letting go others, yet lately they have had couple of managers being successful there on a short notice - within a year or two. There are million other examples too.
Take Klopp out of Pool and they will be more miserable than us, yet now they seem out of reach.
I think so too. There is a looooot of talent in our team.A top manager would have this squad challenging for the title.
Personally wish we should sell Pogba in January and sign both of those,howevet chances are that the right players aren't available until the summer.Squad wise we’re really close. Centre back & a DM. Fergie would win the league this season with this squad.
The biggest change we need is the coaching. The players are horribly coached right now.
I think a competent manager could challenge this season.
I wish his love affair of McTominay would end, he offers nothing. To be honest I think centre back is the only absolute priority right now. That’s the only mustPersonally wish we would sell Pogba in January and sign both of those,howevet chances are that the right players aren't available until the summer.
We certainly saw on Tuesday night that Matic has to be replaced at the end of the season,unfortunately with Ole that probably means seeing McTominay.
Why would the owners need to change their way considering half of the fan base is content with having a mediocre manager at helm?The biggest difference being that Roman's aim every season is success on the pitch whereas our owners are just focused on making money. So the reason he has hired and fired so many is because he wants the best for his team. If you don't hit the requirements then he will get rid of you in a flash.
You only have to refer that statement from Woody about success on the pitch being seperate to what happens off the pitch.