Hope he gets sacked and Newcastle get banned from football.
How good is Eddie Howe?
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As I suspected, you're being disingenuous. The unnecessary walls of text and the arguing of semantics are dead giveaways. Their form and league positions are posted for anyone to see. You can look up the amount of appearances for the players I listed. The bolded is not what I said but you knew that.
Were many of their current key players on the team before Howe? Yep.
Was Newcastle in relegation battles in seasons before Howe? Yep.
Were many of these current key players involved in these relegation battles? Yep.
He's a solid top half of the table manager but he'll never lead Newcastle to a major title. They'll replace him with someone better when the time is right, maybe Pep goes over there for a laugh after he gets bored of City.
It's incredible that we're the only side with 4 wins in their last 5 pl games and our manager is games away from being sacked according to the media.
One of our managers (perhaps Frank O'Farrell) from the 70s won his last 7 league games, and still was sacked.
I think he is a B- Manager. Not elite. Not very good. Decent.
Dave sexton 80/81 frank o Farrell was sacked after United lost 5 0 at palace in 1972
Whenever his Bournemouth side came to old Trafford it was infuriating to watch with the time wasting and refreshment breaks while someone was "injured"
That’s great, their assistant is a nob
"Supports: Football"?
Are you a closet barcode?
They averaged a final position of 12th over the four seasons and spent fewer weeks in the bottom three across all four than they did in the season Howe took over.
They were a comfortable mid-table side, as evidenced by them finishing comfortably mid-table every single season.
They even spent 60% of their time in those comfortable mid-table positions or better.
These are the facts of the matter.
"Were many of their current key players on the team before Howe? "
No, because they've signed a number of better players that are now their key players.
Was Newcastle in relegation battles in seasons before Howe?
No, as evidenced by them not once finishing close to the relegation places.
Your final question is now irrelevant.
They rallied and had a ridiculous end of season run full of abnormal things e.g. Allison scoring last minute winner. The protest that forced Man. United-Liverpool to get postponed also benefited them.
I think with Eddie Howe he only becomes under serious pressure if Newcastle start posting results like Chelsea for a full six month period so losing the odd game like yesterday isn't going to change much.
If in two years time they decide he isn't the man to lead them for a title challenge I think he'd accept that and really based on his 10 years in management he'd probably be the favourite for the England job which is very attractive considering the next one after Southgates gets to work with peak Bellingham.
To me this is a bit like people on here chuckling when Brighton lose a game or two. If Brighton win today they're in top 6 after a third of the season pretty much and that's with combining a first ever euro campaign. Brighton finishing top 6 two years running on their budget is an amazing achievement. Newcastle finishing top 4 twice in a row is still achieveable for them and fits what they want to do. Neither are anything close to Chelsea slumming it around in the bottom half spending 200 + million every transfer window.
With all the money they have, he hasn't rushed to buy all these 10million + players that the fans were expecting. He has chosen well with some of the players he has brought in.
He's only as good as the injuries permit - just like EtH.
Queue the ad hominems.
It is very convenient to add the overachievement season by Benetiz just to perform statistical hand waving. Just realized that's the only reason why you are insistent on this arbitrary four season window. What happens if you only look at the previous three seasons before Howe? You can literally find articles from all those season discussing Newcastle's relegation battles.
Comfortably midtable when they spent most of their time in the bottom half, rarely surpassing 10th. Right... (some of the last fixtures are cut off, but you get the gist)
At least you are consistently disingenuous. That should count for something.
Literally laughed out loud at the bolded. Now, shifting to arguing the semantics of what a key player is. Imagine for a second someone arguing about Newcastle yet thinking the following aren't key players (apps in 2022-23):
Almiron - 34(7)
Joelinton - 37(3)
Schar - 41
Longstaff - 36(5)
Wilson - 26(10)
Willock - 36(7)
Thank you for saving me from the meaningless walls of text, though. Your last post was much more readable, although equally as disingenuous.
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You don't understand what a relegation battle or a key player is, but I'm glad we've cleared that up.Queue the ad hominems.
It is very convenient to add the overachievement season by Benetiz just to perform statistical hand waving. Just realized that's the only reason why you are insistent on this arbitrary four season window. What happens if you only look at the previous three seasons before Howe? You can literally find articles from all those season discussing Newcastle's relegation battles.
Comfortably midtable when they spent most of their time in the bottom half, rarely surpassing 10th. Right... (some of the last fixtures are cut off, but you get the gist)
At least you are consistently disingenuous. That should count for something.
Literally laughed out loud at the bolded. Now, shifting to arguing the semantics of what a key player is. Imagine for a second someone arguing about Newcastle yet thinking the following aren't key players (apps in 2022-23):
Almiron - 34(7)
Joelinton - 37(3)
Schar - 41
Longstaff - 36(5)
Wilson - 26(10)
Willock - 36(7)
Thank you for saving me from the meaningless walls of text, though. Your last post was much more readable, although equally as disingenuous.
I've already checked arguing semantics off your argument-style bingo card—no need to revisit it. It's just tedious at this point.
I've checked not understanding basic football terms off yours so all good.
Nice to know "key player" and "relegation battle" have concrete definitions that you can't even give. Ad hominem was also checked off your argument-style bingo card. You need to reach deeper into that argument fallacy bag.
I think he's done well and plays some really entertaining stuff. I believe (before yesterday) that his squad had scored the most goals in the premier league this season. So he's definitely not scared of the pressure and playing not to lose/keep his job. They press as high up the pitch as anyone and kind of remind me of Klopp's chaotic system but not quite.
I like the signings he's made too. No crazy "Statement Signings" like City did when they first became flush with cash. Where they tried to make of point of stealing top players from their rivals that maybe weren't the best signings like Adebyor and Nasri etc. All Newcastles signings have been under 23 at the time of signing and point towards a planned squad imo. Gordon, Hall, Isak. All look good value. And brining up Elliot Anderson instead of trying to make a big signing seems to be paying off as well.
I think he's doing quite well. Weaker managers could've wasted bunch of money and wilted under the pressure.
I like the signings he's made too. No crazy "Statement Signings" like City did when they first became flush with cash. Where they tried to make of point of stealing top players from their rivals that maybe weren't the best signings like Adebyor and Nasri etc. All Newcastles signings have been under 23 at the time of signing and point towards a planned squad imo. Gordon, Hall, Isak. All look good value. And brining up Elliot Anderson instead of trying to make a big signing seems to be paying off as well.
I think he's doing quite well. Weaker managers could've wasted bunch of money and wilted under the pressure.
I just checked and you're right but it was Dave Sexton in 81. He won his last 7 but was sacked for 4 years without a trophy and an 8th place finish. Shows how much football has changed. Now managers who look set to have a bad finish are immediately sacked
Thanks for checking.
I like him and the style of football Newcastle play. I don't think he'll seriously challenge a tactical nerd like Pep but really how many managers can?
He's good for top four.
He's good for top four.
Bluffer.
Funny thing is the poster who created this thread will be the first to create a sack howe thread if he was our manager
I still can't believe there were and probably are people who wanted Howe to manage United
It makes me vomit.
Howe has done a good job but I can see him getting the sack before the end of the season.
Complete clown and cretin.
He's definitely done a good job. This place is awful at evaluating managers of other teams. Every other team is either managed by a clown who will definitely be sacked or a genius who we should get to replace our own manager, sometimes simultaneously.
I think all their money means they'll be able to get a very good manager, while Howe is just a good one.
He's just a younger Moyes
He’s doing a very good job.
Their squad has been hit by an insane amount of injuries and they’ve had to play the same 11 like 5 games in a row. He got them across the line vs PSG and ourselves but the team has since tired out. Having to play a 17yr old twice a week isn’t exactly easy.
I find it odd people are shitting on him considering he’s slapped Erik around 3 times in a row now without much difficulty either.
First manager ever to have to deal with injured players. Apparently.
The commentators are literally listing out the players and making all sorts of excuses.
The commentators are literally listing out the players and making all sorts of excuses.
Reading the earlier comments on this page, NUFC definitely weren't "comfortably mid-table" before Howe. Rafa's season yes but dead last in expected points under Bruce when we finished "comfortably" mid-table and the football was a complete mess, more about luck than anything Bruce did.
I wouldn't blame Howe for these recent results, the already thin squad and the worst injury crisis I've ever witnessed means his hands are tied. We've had a poor season according to some yet we are fourth in expected points, only 4-5 points behind Man City who are at the top and nine points ahead of Man United. He possibly could have rotated more early in the season but there's not that many muscular injuries either. This is his first season playing in Europe, it's a learning experience for him too.
I would be absolutely shocked if we were to sack him this season or even the next, he's done an amazing job so far and everyone loves him. Saudi's have brought in smart people to run the club and I just can't see them calling for his head (lol) either anytime soon. And there's no reason to, there's some weird Mark Hughes narrative told by fans of other clubs when it doesn't make any sense in reality.
I wouldn't blame Howe for these recent results, the already thin squad and the worst injury crisis I've ever witnessed means his hands are tied. We've had a poor season according to some yet we are fourth in expected points, only 4-5 points behind Man City who are at the top and nine points ahead of Man United. He possibly could have rotated more early in the season but there's not that many muscular injuries either. This is his first season playing in Europe, it's a learning experience for him too.
I would be absolutely shocked if we were to sack him this season or even the next, he's done an amazing job so far and everyone loves him. Saudi's have brought in smart people to run the club and I just can't see them calling for his head (lol) either anytime soon. And there's no reason to, there's some weird Mark Hughes narrative told by fans of other clubs when it doesn't make any sense in reality.
File under ten hag
In reality you're behind both clubs.
They didn't have to play the same 11, they have a squad for a reason.
Aye, a squad that has been missing:
Anderson
Barnes
Botman
Burn
Longstaff
Murphy
Pope (now)
Targett
Tonali
Willock
Wilson
Lewis Hall has been the only player in the bench for the past 5 matches that you were expecting to get any minutes in PL this season and Howe doesn't seem to trust him yet.
Ah yeah they should’ve just pulled out a bunch more 16-17 year olds instead, great idea
I am in no mood to defend EtH as can be seen in other threads. However, I am bemused by all the excuses being made for Eddie Howe in the media when we went through a similar injury crisis earlier in the season and no one was giving us an inch:
1) Lisandro Martinez
2) Casemiro
3) Antony (personal issue)
4) Sancho (personal issue)
5) Malacia
6) Amad
7) Mainoo
8) Mount (of & on)
9) Shaw
Some more I might be missing.
Shows why Man United manager and players have it tougher than other clubs. That’s why doing well at Brighton is no guarantee of success at United.