How much of a chance will Erik give young players here?

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Surely Mejbri gets to keep proving his case. Eriksen was delightful in possession in the opening 17 minutes but if you want to dominate teams and press them in the final third he simply cannot play. McTominay is obviously not a starter.

Play him. And give Pellistri a chance. There are too many players at United who don't give a shit or have been infected by the cultural malaise. Erik needs to reward hunger and bravery.
 

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Honestly think pellestri will only get a run if he scores a match winner in his limited time, similar to garnacho v Fulham
 

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Honestly think pellestri will only get a run if he scores a match winner in his limited time, similar to garnacho v Fulham
Maybe Pellestri is shit
 

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Maybe Pellestri is shit
That's what Mitten was trying to convey, that they are worried about his "shooting". But we have seen his cameos, he is selected to start for Uruguay. You simply don't know how a young player will take to it until you give him a chance.

If he's shit Erik would hardly have blocked a loan move (the lad wants to keep developing, he's not happy to feck up his career) and likely sweetening that decision by getting him on an improved deal.
 

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Maybe Pellestri is shit
Maybe?

Then that begs the question, why is he even given five minutes? What is the point of bringing him on? What's the point of having him on the bench?

It just then makes his comments about pellestri unnecessary
 

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Maybe?

Then that begs the question, why is he even given five minutes? What is the point of bringing him on? What's the point of having him on the bench?

It just then makes his comments about pellestri unnecessary
What are the other options?
 

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What are the other options?
Considering he started Bruno, he could have kept him there and brought on Maguire or Evans as CB instead.

If Eth really thinks pellestri is shit, he has other options given he he has no issues playing senior players out of position
 

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Considering he started Bruno, he could have kept him there and brought on Maguire or Evans as CB instead.

If Eth really thinks pellestri is shit, he has other options given he he has no issues playing senior players out of position
So he should have brought on a defender to try and score.. ok

He quite obviously does not rate him highly else he would have played more.

Also when he started last season in Europa he was crap
 

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So he should have brought on a defender to try and score.. ok
No, he should have brought on a CB to play cb instead of putting Bruno at CB. That would have left Bruno out right instead of pellestri.

That's the logic based on your argument that "maybe he is shit"

Why bring on somebody "shit" to move your most creative player to CB?
You see where this is going?
 

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Problem is he is going to start worrying about the sack which will mean more reliance on people like Mctominay and even more reluctance to give young players a chance. Of course relying on the same dross will lead to him getting the sack but it’s what managers inevitably do.
 

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No, he should have brought on a CB to play cb instead of putting Bruno at CB. That would have left Bruno out right instead of pellestri.

That's the logic based on your argument that "maybe he is shit"

Why bring on somebody "shit" to move your most creative player to CB?
You see where this is going?
No because quite clearly he is sacrificing defending and Bruno can create from deep

I guess the alternative is he believes Pellestri is a very good player but just refuses to give him more than 5 mins because well,
 

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Problem is he is going to start worrying about the sack which will mean more reliance on people like Mctominay and even more reluctance to give young players a chance. Of course relying on the same dross will lead to him getting the sack but it’s what managers inevitably do.
Aside from Pellestri. Which young players do you think he needs to be giving a chance? That he isn’t?
 

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Now the rot has set he's unlikely to try and take any risks.

Pellestri should have started today. It's incredible he only got 10 minutes.
 

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No because quite clearly he is sacrificing defending and Bruno can create from deep

I guess the alternative is he believes Pellestri is a very good player but just refuses to give him more than 5 mins because well,
So from that logic the choice is
Have a competent CB at CB for five minutes and keep Bruno closer to their goal
Or
Have Bruno deeper at cb and play a shit player out wide for five minutes?

That is Basically what it's summed up as right?
 

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So from that logic the choice is
Have a competent CB at CB for five minutes and keep Bruno closer to their goal
Or
Have Bruno deeper at cb and play a shit player out wide for five minutes?

That is Basically what it's summed up as right?
Correct
 

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Feels to me that ETH does not trust young players, certainly not the ones he has not signed.

Why change to the 442 diamond against Brighton?

It seems like he would rather change formation and put players into a system that they have not played before than put Garnacho or Pellistri into the right forward role.
 

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He might as well play all of them, because it seems the current squad are dropping like flies..
 

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Long way to go to see what level they end up at, but theoretically - I’d be chuffed if we managed to get a top midfield 3 out of Mainoo, Gore and Hannibal. Our class of 23, so to speak.

The rest of our midfielders are all 30+ and Mount is Mount so who knows? All are highly promising but most importantly have the right attributes as players. All very comfortable handling the ball, and can look after themselves. I think if we get this right, there’s a slim chance all 3 could make the grade.
 

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Long way to go to see what level they end up at, but theoretically - I’d be chuffed if we managed to get a top midfield 3 out of Mainoo, Gore and Hannibal. Our class of 23, so to speak.

The rest of our midfielders are all 30+ and Mount is Mount so who knows? All are highly promising but most importantly have the right attributes as players. All very comfortable handling the ball, and can look after themselves. I think if we get this right, there’s a slim chance all 3 could make the grade.
If we get one out of three as an established first team player here we'll have done great. The step up, even now is enormous.
 

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No because quite clearly he is sacrificing defending and Bruno can create from deep

I guess the alternative is he believes Pellestri is a very good player but just refuses to give him more than 5 mins because well,
How can Bruno create from cb?