No I do agree Moyes had more to work with. But it's interesting how he lost that squad completely within 6 months. No one wanted to play for him while for Old he has lesser players but all backing him.The Moyes points per game and win ratio thing needs to die and not be brought up constantly as a stick to beat other managers with. He took over the runaway champions and a squad packed with talent and experience. So of course he was going to win most of his early games, tellingly though as that season went on he started picking up less and less points as it became more and more his team/tactics/strategy.
Definitely mate he has to, i like what he's doing in terms of players in and out. I would have liked more attacking options but i'm hoping that was because we only want to sign players who want to be here as opposed to just getting bodies in.No I do agree Moyes had more to work with. But it's interesting how he lost that squad completely within 6 months. No one wanted to play for him while for Old he has lesser players but all backing him.
Ole has been another level of shite for us in my opinion, just like Moyes has. I hope it changes, I never want a manager sacked I don't know why (!) But he really needs to improve as a manager. Feel bad for saying it because he's a legend of the club.
Have you been watching us recently? No chance at all we win all those games you predicting. The football is dire and there is no strategy or coherence to our play.Very negative and I can't agree
Rochdale (H) Win
Arsenal (H) Win (we get Pogba and Martial back and they still have Luiz)
AZ Aalkmar (A) Draw
Newcastle (A) Win
Liverpool (H) Draw
Partizan (A) Win
Norwich (A) Win
Bournemouth (A) Draw
Partizan (H) Win
Brighton (H) Win
Sheffield (A) Win
Astana (A) Win
Why? You don’t think Moyes would be able to win over 25% of matches?Things have been bad but lets not get fecking crazy.
You do realise that apart from Matic and maybe Bailly, all the players you mentioned are rated by the manager and have been recently given new contracts?Absolutely agree with this post. Changing managers now will accomplish nothing.
Ole has overseen the departure of so much deadwood in one season and that in itself deserves credit. I for one would be inclined to give him another summer, if only to ensure that the likes of matic, young, lingard, baily, Rojo, Jones are also shown the door.
Quality signings made by him over the summer have also been a huge positive and it's something we have lacked over the years.
Hopefully pogba, martial and shaw are back soon because losing them is a hammer blow for an already depleted squad and the blame for that is squarely on Woodward's door. What I truly feel for that guy cannot be said on this forum.
First off rephrase the question with Solskjaers actual win ratio.Why? You don’t think Moyes would be able to win over 25% of matches?
Lukaku, Sanchez, Herrera, Fellaini , Smalling weren't deadwood, they are better than the player we have right now and we are worse without them , it's proven with the results on the field. Clearing them out is literally only to reduce our wage bill.Ole has overseen the departure of so much deadwood in one season and that in itself deserves credit. I for one would be inclined to give him another summer, if only to ensure that the likes of matic, young, lingard, baily, Rojo, Jones and Mata are also shown the door.
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Ole deserves at least three years in total to give the club and team stability as well as to have a real shot at building a Manchester United team again that is capable of challenging for the title and other silverware. It was unpleasant seeing the reality of how thin the squad/team looked against West Ham but injuries did United's chances in as much as certain lacks in the way the team plays.If Poch is available at the end of the season, i’ll say we have to get him before anyone does and if that means ditching Ole, so be it. Poch is the only manager for me that has the capability to build this squad, I don’t see anyone else who is without a club to do so, at least not for now
Ole has managed 36 competitive games as United manager, 19 of which were wins, so in fact he has a win percentage of 53% and has only lost 10 games which is a loss rate of 28%.Can you explain to me why Ole's stats looks like this since he took over as permanent manager
https://www.transfermarkt.us/ole-gu...d/985/datum_zu/2019-03-28/datum_ab/0000-00-00
17 matches managed, 5 wins, 8 losses, 4 draws which equates to 29.4% win ratio
Let's look at Van Gaal and Mourinho while they were United managers
Van Gaal
103 matches managed, 54 wins, 25 losses, 24 draws which equates to 52.4% win ratio
Mourinho
141 matches managed, 84 wins, 29 losses, 31 draws which equates to 59.5% win ratio
Now, in my opinion, I don't think Van Gaal and Mourinho were the solutions to take our team forward and I'm glad they were sacked. Can you explain to me why does Ole get the benefit? just because he was a legend? He's playing crappy football just like Jose.... So I don't understand what all is he bringing to the table?
This is a management issue! If we are struggling to beat the likes of West Ham and Southampton with the given squad, I think it's a management issue.
Stop this permanent manager nonsense he took over in December last year. Its disingenuous and undermines any evaluation of Solskjaers time as United manager.Can you explain to me why Ole's stats looks like this since he took over as permanent manager
https://www.transfermarkt.us/ole-gu...d/985/datum_zu/2019-03-28/datum_ab/0000-00-00
17 matches managed, 5 wins, 8 losses, 4 draws which equates to 29.4% win ratio
Let's look at Van Gaal and Mourinho while they were United managers
Van Gaal
103 matches managed, 54 wins, 25 losses, 24 draws which equates to 52.4% win ratio
Mourinho
141 matches managed, 84 wins, 29 losses, 31 draws which equates to 59.5% win ratio
Now, in my opinion, I don't think Van Gaal and Mourinho were the solutions to take our team forward and I'm glad they were sacked. Can you explain to me why does Ole get the benefit? just because he was a legend? He's playing crappy football just like Jose.... So I don't understand what all is he bringing to the table?
This is a management issue! If we are struggling to beat the likes of West Ham and Southampton with the given squad, I think it's a management issue.
1 full season...We either have to finish in the top 4 this season(or win the EL)....Or there must be clear,discernible improvement in our style and quality of play that can atleast give us the hope that things are going in the right direction.If things remain like this then he should be sacked at the end of the season,as simple as that...I've been hearing all the Ole sympathizers mention that he needs time and he's done such a great job getting rid of the deadwood (with the likes of Lukaku, Sanchez, Fellaini, Smalling) and so on. But is that all what's required to succeed as manager of this club? I mean if we look back at our tactics, we essentially have progressed from the Jose style of play where we sit back and try to counter attack. This is by no means a knee-jerk reactionary post. I mean I can admit that Ole wasn't given the resources BUT tactically speaking, I haven't seen anything for us to believe that Ole has what it takes to succeed at United. The first three months of his OT career was incredible but since his permanency, he's managed to have a 20% win percentage after today's defeat to West Ham.
Just wanted to ask the CAF, how long would each of you give him till you decide to state that Ole just isn't the right man to lead United (despite him being a United legend and his great intentions)?
Yeah, i agree were were a goal down and playing pretty shit football but still the same team came out at half time?I mean, it's this and the Palace game now. We can't have another performance like that because then the only reasonable conclusion to come to is that Ole isn't capable of stamping it out or isn't even aware how poor it is.
Hed have actually given me a lot more confidence if he'd hauled Matic off at half time or changed something after 30 minutes. Even if it hadn't worked, it would at least send a message that the team isn't doing what he is asking it to and he isn't happy to just accept it. At the moment all you can do is speculate as to why we played so abjectly because we seem to just plod along with it through thr game as if it IS part of the plan.
I agree with this. I hope now some of the dead wood is cleared we can sign some quality in the next 2 windows. One of the biggest problems we have had is bad signings. Oles signings so far look excellent. A striker and a midfielder (maybe 2) and things are looking up. I personally hope the striker is Werner.2 more windows January and next Summer is enough time for the rebuild if they back Ole. Then next season we should demand results or he goes.
This is a fairly sensible approach and I agree with it ... almost.2 more windows January and next Summer is enough time for the rebuild if they back Ole. Then next season we should demand results or he goes.
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Honestly, I don't think so. I just think they are clueless when it comes to running a football club and to make it worse they have Woodward as their man, who is equally as clueless.Are the Glazer's setting up to sell?
Exactly. You'd think the poster have not really been watching us play this season. We could very well lose to the likes of Newcastle and Sheffield, as well as our tricky European games.Have you been watching us recently? No chance at all we win all those games you predicting. The football is dire and there is no strategy or coherence to our play.
@dev1l looks like Gary Neville shared a similar sentiment.I wanted it to work. But fact is..
You can't win anything with kids.
If we look back to that famous side that lost to Villa, it still had Steve Bruce, Keane, Gary Pallister, Irwin, Sharpe, Schmeicall, May and of course Eric Cantona.
THAT side won with the kids. To think the likes of Young, Lingard, Mata even with Pogba and Maguire is enough to help this current batch along it's more than unrealistic. It's completely irresponsible of the manager, coaching staff and board.
"I've said many times that Alan Hansen was right, you don't win anything with kids.
"The Class of '92 didn't win that Premier League title. We had Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister, Roy Keane, Eric Cantona, Brian McClair and Peter Schmeichel. We had world-class performers and two of the best centre backs ever.
Keane was the most inspirational captain and leader, Cantona was world-class, Schmeichel was the best in the world and Dennis Irwin was brilliant.
They pulled us through it. If the Class of '92 had gone into this team, we would have had no chance
Ay, problem is with the way the club is being run. Until that changes, nothing will improve.This time last year some of us were saying results would be no better under a different manager with this squad. I'll say the same again.
