He should be given more time of course. There is no point sacking him right now, our biggest problem is not the manager. I just want him to be more courageous, give more chances to youngsters rather than people like Matic and Young, play more attacking football like we did when Ole was caretaker. No one will blame him if we play entertaining football but lose. It's much worse when we don't even try to be aggressive and lose eventually. Still have faith in him.
How much time is enough time to gauge Ole?
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No I don't think so, one season is quite enough.
Given our squad (it's not as good as some think and not bad as some think) he should finish at least 6th in the league this season. Even I fully support and believe in him however if he finish like 10th this season then he definitely should go (unless there is some major injury crisis).
Lads, we all need to be realistic here and admit that we are a million miles off challenging domestically and for CL. Getting rid of Ole now and replacing him with literally any other coach in world football is not going to mask that fact. We will finish somewhere between 3rd-7th this season, and much of that will depend on those around us. Whoever gets 3rd and 4th will likely because they've been the least shite out of the chasing pack. Changing the manager at this stage will not make the difference, no one is going to get the likes of Lingard, Mata, Matic, Young to start playing high quality football that will change our season.
The squad is wafer thin, and although I fully back the removal of the deadwood, we didn't replace those players with improvements. We are criminally short in midfield and up front which is a situation that with a competent recruitment/DoF department in place would not have been allowed to happen.
Is Ole the right man long term, and should he have been given the job at the time he did as opposed to seeing out the rest of the season, are both fair questions, but to say that he must be sacked now is in my opinion ridiculous. We need to look at the bigger picture here. The club is broken at the top and this has seeped down into the first team squad.
We do have reasons to be positive. Looking at the players who were moved on, I imagine 99% of us would agree that Ole made the right decisions, though perhaps a case could have been made for Herrera at a stretch. We have made 3 good signings this summer in AWB, James and Maguire. These are all positive signs that we have some semblance of a vision which we have lacked over the past 6 years. Simply chopping each manager every 1-2 years is not a system that has proved successful for us thus far, and not one that is likely to change unless and until there is a proper footballing department in charge.
Our current fanbase is turning into a joke, so either back the team and the manager, get behind and support the lads, or go get fecked and support someone else.
The squad is wafer thin, and although I fully back the removal of the deadwood, we didn't replace those players with improvements. We are criminally short in midfield and up front which is a situation that with a competent recruitment/DoF department in place would not have been allowed to happen.
Is Ole the right man long term, and should he have been given the job at the time he did as opposed to seeing out the rest of the season, are both fair questions, but to say that he must be sacked now is in my opinion ridiculous. We need to look at the bigger picture here. The club is broken at the top and this has seeped down into the first team squad.
We do have reasons to be positive. Looking at the players who were moved on, I imagine 99% of us would agree that Ole made the right decisions, though perhaps a case could have been made for Herrera at a stretch. We have made 3 good signings this summer in AWB, James and Maguire. These are all positive signs that we have some semblance of a vision which we have lacked over the past 6 years. Simply chopping each manager every 1-2 years is not a system that has proved successful for us thus far, and not one that is likely to change unless and until there is a proper footballing department in charge.
Our current fanbase is turning into a joke, so either back the team and the manager, get behind and support the lads, or go get fecked and support someone else.
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Nobody takes pleasure in what’s going on with our club. Absolutely nobody. Take that onboard. Most of us make comments of what we see, not what we want. In the corporate world trust is invisible, whenever it’s up for discussion the trust is fading and the rest is just a matter of time.
Nobody takes pleasure in what’s going on with our club. Absolutely nobody. Take that onboard. Most of us make comments of what we see, not what we want. In the corporate world trust is invisible, whenever it’s up for discussion the trust is fading and the rest is just a matter of time.
Well said, it's like we're supported by a bunch of 4 year olds who throw a tantrum everytime they're told they can't have a candy bar.
I'd give Solskjaer until the end of the season....I feel for him with the lack of depth in the squad but he should have put his feet down for even some short term options to see us through this difficult year.
we need to be realistic in terms of signings but also in terms of how the players are applying themselves.
I can see signs that the apathy is returning. It characterised our run in last season when players looked fecked off and energy/intensity levels seemed to fade . Ole will need to change this, improve some players and improve tactically.
Personally at the end of the season I'd be tempted to change the manager if things dont improve
we need to be realistic in terms of signings but also in terms of how the players are applying themselves.
I can see signs that the apathy is returning. It characterised our run in last season when players looked fecked off and energy/intensity levels seemed to fade . Ole will need to change this, improve some players and improve tactically.
Personally at the end of the season I'd be tempted to change the manager if things dont improve
I'd say they will see how results are when we get some players back, maybe make a Jan signing. I doubt they will take the pain if we're 12th at Christmas and every game is looking like a loss or draw with the odd win.
Oh yeh, it was a mistake letting him go right now. Long term he could be shipped out but it wasn't the right time.
Absolutely agree with this post. Changing managers now will accomplish nothing.
Ole has overseen the departure of so much deadwood in one season and that in itself deserves credit. I for one would be inclined to give him another summer, if only to ensure that the likes of matic, young, lingard, baily, Rojo, Jones and Mata are also shown the door.
Quality signings made by him over the summer have also been a huge positive and it's something we have lacked over the years.
Hopefully pogba, martial and shaw are back soon because losing them is a hammer blow for an already depleted squad and the blame for that is squarely on Woodward's door. What I truly feel for that guy cannot be said on this forum.
We have a decent first eleven but take anyone out, especially the best two forward players and it's average at best.
I saw someone say that we've basically replaced herrera, fellajni, sanchez and lukaku with james.
Incredible when you think of it like that just from a numbers aspect
I saw someone say that we've basically replaced herrera, fellajni, sanchez and lukaku with james.
Incredible when you think of it like that just from a numbers aspect
Huh ? What about AWB and Maguire ?
I think the point is being made is that in the midfield/attacking positions we've lost the above players and only replaced them with one forward in James.
That's unfair though, Fellaini and Herrera have little in common with James so shouldn't be counted in this comparison.
Right now it's far too early to judge. Things could quickly turn around again by Christmas, but we need investment in January 100%
We've been unlucky with the injuries to key players, and any team will miss their 2 best attacking talent, especially when you have such a huge drop off like our squad does.
We've been unlucky with the injuries to key players, and any team will miss their 2 best attacking talent, especially when you have such a huge drop off like our squad does.
Such a dumb statement. I give Ole one more year at most.
Jesus. No wonder we are in this shit when even our supporters believe that.
He was a cheap and easy solution after a honeymoon period. He doesn't have it what it takes to ever become even decent at this job.
and Bournemouth easily beat I team we struggled to draw with (Southampton) and lost to a team that was then thumped by Spurs a few days later
I'm inclined to agree, but what i don't get it, when he came in, we went unbeaten for like 10 games (6W4D). What was working then, that isn't now?
Look at this table - points collected since Ole took over permanently.
https://talksport.com/football/6053...ole-gunnar-solskjaer-jose-mourinho-permanent/
There are only 3 other teams with a worst points count than us in that time. I don't think sacking him will fix us, but there has got to be a point where he earns his salary. We can't have this form continue.
In his favour though;
- Key players will return soon (Pogba, Shaw, Martial)
- The youngsters are likely to improve over the course of the season
I see he's second favourite to be the next PL manger sacked and I'm afraid that doesn't really surprise me. I don't see much change between the loss at West Ham under Jose and the loss at West Ham last weekend. I have never called for a United manger to be sacked although I didn't cry when Moyes went. A few more games like last weekend and it will be much the same...
He should at least have Two transfer windows.
He did well in the summer, there was no point continuing with the old guard. Let's see if he's backed in January with the players that he wants. up until now, all his signings have been excellent. there's no reason he shouldn't be trusted with a couple to at least have the spine of the team as he wants it. We should see improvements by that time.
I'm personally not that bothered by the results, i'm more interested by what's happening around the club and the playing personel. and i like the fact that bar a few players, we got rid of most the players that were on high wages, didn't deliver or weren't 100%. I like the new signings and if we could get 2 or 3 as successful as the one we got last summer, we will click soon.
People should remember that the last couple of games we were without Pogba and Martial. so it's logical that our game suffers from it.
He did well in the summer, there was no point continuing with the old guard. Let's see if he's backed in January with the players that he wants. up until now, all his signings have been excellent. there's no reason he shouldn't be trusted with a couple to at least have the spine of the team as he wants it. We should see improvements by that time.
I'm personally not that bothered by the results, i'm more interested by what's happening around the club and the playing personel. and i like the fact that bar a few players, we got rid of most the players that were on high wages, didn't deliver or weren't 100%. I like the new signings and if we could get 2 or 3 as successful as the one we got last summer, we will click soon.
People should remember that the last couple of games we were without Pogba and Martial. so it's logical that our game suffers from it.
Martial has returned to his status as one of the best strikers in the world with this injury I see, the way he's being spoken about again is so funny, happens every time.
His first real window and the signs are good on players out and players in, he’s also not a miserable twat.
That’s all I got
I think he's already done. He's shown nothing apart from a brief upturn in results early last year (many of which were in contrast to the performances).
Apparently he's got rid of "the deadwood". Lukaku, Fellaini and Herrera eh?!? Three senior, established professionals?? Clap clap clap. We've "replaced" a proven goal-scoring striker with a couple of (still!!!) underwhelming kids (except they're not kids anymore, and we're paying them a combined half million a week...), and we're playing completely unproven academy/championship players in an unstructured mess of an 11 (expecting them to "kick on" or whatever bullshit football cliche applies).
And still, with all that said it's still hard to know what to do.. He's overseen the final exodus of quality from the squad and we've celebrated it. His signings look decent, so on one hand I'd be happy to let him continue the build, but on the other his form is atrocious and Pogba certainly looks on his way out. If the right man became available I'd like the think we'd make the jump, but I wouldn't sack him just because of our form (yet). Come January? Maybe we have to.
Apparently he's got rid of "the deadwood". Lukaku, Fellaini and Herrera eh?!? Three senior, established professionals?? Clap clap clap. We've "replaced" a proven goal-scoring striker with a couple of (still!!!) underwhelming kids (except they're not kids anymore, and we're paying them a combined half million a week...), and we're playing completely unproven academy/championship players in an unstructured mess of an 11 (expecting them to "kick on" or whatever bullshit football cliche applies).
And still, with all that said it's still hard to know what to do.. He's overseen the final exodus of quality from the squad and we've celebrated it. His signings look decent, so on one hand I'd be happy to let him continue the build, but on the other his form is atrocious and Pogba certainly looks on his way out. If the right man became available I'd like the think we'd make the jump, but I wouldn't sack him just because of our form (yet). Come January? Maybe we have to.
I would love to see Ole given a chance to start next season as the manager. That would give him 3 windows to add players. If it's more of the same this time next year then sack him.
Our best two players. Certainly going forward.
Not another manager thread.
You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
Who would get into a top European side from our current lot?
De Gea, possibly his form has been iffy lately but I’ll give him the benefit that class is permanent etc
Maguire? Well we paid a world record for him, time will tell but he is a big, no huge improvement over Jones and the rest.
Bassaka, too soon too judge but again a great improvement.
Pogba? Madrid didn’t table a bid did they, or any body else for that matter.
Rashford, oh please he’s no Harry Kane no chance of him getting into the Liverpool squad let alone Bayern Munich or Madrid.
Martial, see Rashford.
The rest of our players I’m not even going to mention.
So there you are, a pigs ear of a squad, until the Glaziers and Woodward are out we are stuffed, about as stuffed as a turkey at Christmas.
You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
Who would get into a top European side from our current lot?
De Gea, possibly his form has been iffy lately but I’ll give him the benefit that class is permanent etc
Maguire? Well we paid a world record for him, time will tell but he is a big, no huge improvement over Jones and the rest.
Bassaka, too soon too judge but again a great improvement.
Pogba? Madrid didn’t table a bid did they, or any body else for that matter.
Rashford, oh please he’s no Harry Kane no chance of him getting into the Liverpool squad let alone Bayern Munich or Madrid.
Martial, see Rashford.
The rest of our players I’m not even going to mention.
So there you are, a pigs ear of a squad, until the Glaziers and Woodward are out we are stuffed, about as stuffed as a turkey at Christmas.
No matter how many transfer windows are given those world class players are not going to come to play for a mid table club with an inexperienced manager.
This is why I blame Ole for going for those kind of players who are not going to come. If he had gone looking for players who are better than what we have ( plenty of them around) then our midfield would have improved a lot and get us to the CL spots and then go for those world class players.
Ole is responsible for not improving our midfield by not looking at achievable targets instead of trying to get impossible targets.
This is why I blame Ole for going for those kind of players who are not going to come. If he had gone looking for players who are better than what we have ( plenty of them around) then our midfield would have improved a lot and get us to the CL spots and then go for those world class players.
Ole is responsible for not improving our midfield by not looking at achievable targets instead of trying to get impossible targets.
I agree.
Our best case scenario with Ole and this squad, the very best case scenario (if you have an ounce of realism in your body) is:
- We finish 4th-6th this season, but with a good season in terms of football and promise.
- In the summer, Matic, Mata and a few others are moved on - we sign 2-3 more players (under the radar type signings, don't forget, 60m net spend of course, with Ed at the helm).
- Next season, we play an even younger starting 11 with a couple of additions and finish top 4 comfortably.
Ole then moves upstairs or elsewhere and a top-class manager takes over, with a more attractive 'project' to take hold of. No top manager is going to touch this squad as it is, and Ole is not the long-term answer. We can only hope he improves us enough to make us attractive to someone better.
Things have been bad but lets not get fecking crazy.
Honestly speaking if I watched a selection of the last 10 games and wasn't told who the manager was, I would have believed someone who said Moyes. I can't tell the difference between the two when I watch United anymore.
So you agree that Moyes wouldn't be doing better then?
PS i could tell the difference between the styles of play but the results currently are shit it has to be said.
I think there isn't much between the two which screams how bad Ole has been so far.
Also didn't Moyes have a better points per game after the same period? I can't remember it's in one of the threads. It's been Jose>LVG>Moyes>Ole.
Needs the full season really, and more time with a consistent squad. Think the first XI is decent but severely lacking outside of that.
Moyes had RVP, Rooney, Giggs, Valencia, Nani, Welbeck, Hernandez, a 5 year younger Mata. Just a slight difference in quality to what we have now.
Ole chose to sell key players that would have certainly made a difference without a replacement. That's on him. Sick and tired on the Ole working on scraps answers (not you, but just in general)
The actual signing of the player after he’s said who he wants.
I have zero problem with how he's doing. I like the players he's signed, more importantly I agree with the players he's punted.
Rome wasn't built in a day; I'll judge him in May 2022 when he's had time to build a squad.
Rome wasn't built in a day; I'll judge him in May 2022 when he's had time to build a squad.
It doesn't make good reading but other than City and Liverpool (and Palace..) the grass is barely any greener elsewhere considering how bad our squad is.I'm inclined to agree, but what i don't get it, when he came in, we went unbeaten for like 10 games (6W4D). What was working then, that isn't now?
Look at this table - points collected since Ole took over permanently.
https://talksport.com/football/6053...ole-gunnar-solskjaer-jose-mourinho-permanent/
There are only 3 other teams with a worst points count than us in that time. I don't think sacking him will fix us, but there has got to be a point where he earns his salary. We can't have this form continue.
In his favour though;
- Key players will return soon (Pogba, Shaw, Martial)
- The youngsters are likely to improve over the course of the season
The Moyes points per game and win ratio thing needs to die and not be brought up constantly as a stick to beat other managers with. He took over the runaway champions and a squad packed with talent and experience. So of course he was going to win most of his early games, tellingly though as that season went on he started picking up less and less points as it became more and more his team/tactics/strategy.
Madrid are no plastic club, they may be disliked but they spend their own money. What an incredible history they have too, unlike those blue w@nkers and that Qatari Saint Germain.