Indeed you do not but say you worked for a bunch of horrible homophobic, racist twats, now ok we all need to make a living so i wouldn't condemn someone for working for a horrible person if they need a job.
Yes Saudi Telecom is owned by the Saudi government/royal family though they have sold off 30% or something. They don't own United but isn't that whataboutery, it shows your club are easily as willing to sell their soul for cash just like City, just like Pep, just like everyone.
Oh please, you're reaching and desperate here. You think he's employed to do PR for Abu Dhabi.
Do i think he's employed to do PR for Abu Dhabi? Well i definitely think he is (or was) employed to do PR for Qatar.
I can't wait for the pope's private football club to come out in support of gay people.
Pep could if he wanted to, but he won’t. No conviction, just greed. Just like United
.No, because the view his owners have on homophobia has nothing to do with his view and in general have nothing to do with football. Pep has the view that any normal sane person should have. Why is he being criticized? Because his boss has a different view? It's clutching at straws calling that hypocritical, he's a grown man he can have his own views and say them without having anything to do with his club.
What City's owners do separate from the club is exactly that, separate from their club. If they bought out United, would United all of a sudden represent all of that? Of course not. Someones personal views have nothing to do with any of the football side of things. I'm not saying their owners aren't horrible people. But that really has nothing to do with Pep. He has a job and nothing about that position has anything to do with the personal political views of his owners.
It's the same. By your logic, both behaviors are being endorsed by consumers. It's just that LGBTQ causes and community have a better definition in today's society and culture than the underpaid proletariat in the western capitalistic societies so the former appears nobler than the latter. Heck, there is also labour abuse in gulf countries plenty but it's not picked up on as a cause for concern or protest here. There is persecution and jailing of minorities in the west too(USA) and their peeps are into EPL too..or does it only have to be monarchies?
Pep is actively supporting, directly working with people that kill people on principle. Its not some sponsorship deal, the people that own and run that club put people to death. How you can say that using a phone is the same as being part of a propaganda machine, I have no idea. And that little "lets keep politics out of football" should be aimed at those using football for political goals. ie city and their cnuty owners. I cant stress this enough, they are the ones doing it! Them, they are killing people. Not some government bullshit that doesnt treat people fairly. Not some knob in an office with shitty opinions. Not some company that treats its workers like shit. People, killing people for no good reason. We might have sponsers who are cnuts, but we dont work for them clearing up their shitty image. We arent a propaganda device whored out whenever some douchebag beats a guy with a cattle prod.
His boss is a puppet master and Pep is moving to their instruction.
He isn't being criticized because he has a different view to his boss mate, you seem to be missing the point.
Obviously he gave the most generic and PR driven answer possible. How else was he supposed to answer ?
I would not put my son into that youth academy..I can't wait for the pope's private football club to come out in support of gay people.
See my issue with this is simply he has choice to work for any club in the world. He chose to work for City because they dangled a big gold carrot in front of him. He went and danced with the devil and should expect criticism in situations like this.
My issue with this statement is that the UAE Royal family are purchasing foreign businesses for two reasons:
You think that's working out for them? It's always sounded weird, the idea that a foreign entity would buy an English club to launder their image. Seems like a really convoluted way to do things.
It's soft power and exactly what they are doing.
I agree with you. Money buys everything sadly
Very interesting, thank you. Still reading through this
I agree with what you've stated are the reasons that Sheikh Mansour bought the club, so I have no issue there. Yes I would say building awareness of and broadening the appeal of Brand Abu Dhabi/UAE was definitely a reason for buying City, in the same way that Etihad (AD) and Emirates (Dubai) have sponsored a broad range of sporting events/stadia/club shirts etc (the difference with City is obviously that this is ownership rather than just standard sponsorship). Speaking personally, I'm pretty sure I'd never heard of Emirates before they sponsored Chelsea's shirts in the mid-2000s, and I don't think I'd heard of Etihad before they became City's sponsor as part of the takeover.
He was indeed for Qatar but whats that to do with City?
I was simply highlighting that Guardiola will do PR for questionable regimes.
Well i would hope not but there are a lot of naive people in the world sadly that would buy it. It's also no doubt a long term project for Abu Dhabi and opinions are not going to change over night. Amnesty International think this is why they bought City.
Of course they are hoping but are they fine with City supporting Lgbt causes when they quite openly despise them? Really, I think this shows City and Abu Dhabi are far from one and the same. yes they want to win and show their faces but in no way are they going to try and pretend they have similar views to City or City to them on HR issues. Its crazy to think they would imagine people so stupid.
I respect your opinion mate and as a City fan i understand it, but i think the links between City and Abu Dhabi are a lot closer than you do. Yes it's no doubt brought them negative attention as well, but i'm sure they knew that going in and probably think it's a case of riding it out until it dies down. Look at Qatar they've had way more negative press but the World Cup looks like it is going ahead in 2022.
No he doesn't. City's owners do.
How racist of you.
You not seen the movies...?
It's a really interesting point. Most Middle Eastern countries, Israel aside, have traditionally not run with democracies. We in the West tend to accept the idea that democracies are always best. But if you grew up in the ME and saw the democratic countries pretty much screwing up with every intervention they take part in, if you see the corruption in the rebuilding processes and of course the bigger tendency in the West for drunkeness, drugs, casual sex, barely there dresscodes, etc, etc you can see why they often look to the West and ask who are you to preach. On top of all that, it really wasn't that long ago that we had no rights for women to vote, homosexuality was illegal, etc.
Yes I have, and you went too literal with my metaphor.
So why use a metaphor a mile wide of the evidential mark? If you're going to be nasty you could have said that Ed Woodward looks like an elongated piece of spam done out to look human by the Chapman brothers. Or that he looks like someone waiting to be implicated in Operation Yewtree. But no. You think Ed Woodward looks like the wealthy middle easterners buying human flesh in the ship basement as Neeson busts in? Or maybe Ed looks like the gang of Albanians that hero Liam makes very short work of in Paris? The guy who identified Ed Woodward with a set of fictional characters who rape kidnapped young women climbs aboard the highest horse on the ranch when someone calls him out on it. "How racist of you"...you absolute spod. I'm glad you're backtracking.
Just take the joke for what it was. fecking hell.
