"I couldn't care less about CL football next season if LVG is still here."

[Fortitude]

Seeing this statement too many times to even quote individuals and ask them if they're part of a group-think or whether, they, as individuals, genuinely feel that way.

Further, there's people saying they'd do without CL next season, full-stop, or under the proviso it's enough to get LVG out the door.

Is this emotion overruling the head? When push comes to shove, do you, who have stated as such, stand by it?

 

[VorZakone]

It's a ridicilous way of thinking. CL is more important than LvG staying or not.

 

[Drifter]

Financially it may be important to the club . But personally i've grown tired of the CL as a competition.

 

[Mr Smith]

More the problem with this opinion is the belief that Champions League qualification is the main determinant of whether Van Gaal stays or goes. For better or worse, I believe the decision has already been made. At the very least, it's dependent on more than whether we make top 4 or not.

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

I want Van Gaal out as much as anyone, but I still clearly cheer for CL. The amount of player quality we'll lose in the transfer window because of it would be immense, and I also really really really want to Guardiola's first season at City to be CL-less. That huge cnut that chose City's money over and easy build rather than the challenge of leading us back to glory.

 

[acnumber9]

It's a ridicilous way of thinking. CL is more important than LvG staying or not.

Enjoying football is more important surely. We qualified for Champions League for this season. Did it make our season any better?

 

[Attila]

It's a ridicilous way of thinking. CL is more important than LvG staying or not.

If he stays then we aren't going to do anything in the league or CL next year so I think its more important he leaves.

I think he's getting sacked even if he gets 4th though so I hope we get it as Mourinho could do better than what we did this year in the CL

 

[Xaviesta]

I can see why people would want van Gaal out at any cost but do you really want to be watching United in the Europa League? It's Capital One Cup of European competitions - it's shitty, boring and a waste of time.

 

[2 man midfield]

It comes from feeling it's pointless us even being in it when we'll likely put on a poor showing like the last time round. Whether that's true or not, it's much better to be in it than out of it, and i think those posters know this in the back of their minds. They're likely using this line for the shock value, to remind us how futile keeping Van Gaal on would be, something 99% of posters already agree with anyway.

 

[RedSky]

Financially it may be important to the club . But personally i've grown tired of the CL as a competition.

Seriously? I love it, i follow a fair number of the top european leagues and love us being involved.

 

[Damien]

Decision on van Gaal's future will have already been made by now. Seen people say that even if we finish fourth we wouldn't deserve it based on our performances... not like City has been tearing every team apart. Just three points by them in 9 games against the top 6 - and all three points have been in away games.

 

[Twigg]

Hard to sack a man on the back of an FA Cup win and 4th place, with so many academy debuts too.

Assuming those two things happen of course.

 

[Amir]

I can see why people would want van Gaal out at any cost but do you really want to be watching United in the Europa League? It's Capital One Cup of European competitions - it's shitty, boring and a waste of time.

Obviously, none of us knows what the implications of qualifying to the CL are - whether it will keep LVG in the job or if it's a lost cause for him anyway.

But if he'll only be gone if we fail to qualify, than I'd rather play in the Europa league with a competent manager then going into another season of boredom and few achievements, even if it means playing in the CL before being knocked out early again. What's the point of that?

 

[Wumminator]

Ridiculous point of view. Two of the last four premier league champions aren't gonna make it to the CL this year. Managers who were previously thought to be good like Mourinho doesn't guarentee champions league football. With the premier league this strong not one team is guarenteed to be getting CL year in year out. It's a privilidge not a guarentee.

 

[2 man midfield]

Hard to sack a man on the back of an FA Cup win and 4th place, with so many academy debuts too.

Assuming those two things happen of course.

Not for anybody looking beyond those surface facts with any kind of context. Would you yourself still sack him should they happen?

 

[Damien]

Ridiculous point of view. Two of the last four premier league champions aren't gonna make it to the CL this year. Managers who were previously thought to be good like Mourinho doesn't guarentee champions league football. With the premier league this strong not one team is guarenteed to be getting CL year in year out. It's a privilidge not a guarentee.

Oh god. @Pexbo

 

[Twigg]

Not for anybody looking beyond those surface facts with any kind of context. Would you yourself still sack him should they happen?

If we had a decent replacement around.

 

[Pexbo]

Oh god. @Pexbo

That's my second account busted.

 

[Riz]

It's simply the greater good argument. Which entirely depends on each poster's perspective of what's best for the club moving forward.

Personally I think we need to return to challenging and winning, and we need to do it fast. Next season the league will be more competitive and cut throat than ever and that's why I want Mourinho at the helm fighting our corner.

So if you offered me Mourinho and Europa or Van Gaal and CL next year then I'd pick the former every day of the week because long term I think it's in the best interests of the club.

 

[VivaObertan]

I supported van Gaal until around the time of the Liverpool game and now I've had enough. It's not because we're not winning either.

I plan my life around United. This has been the way it's been since I was a baby and was instilled into me by my parents and grandparents.

The truth is I don't actually enjoy watching us play anymore. I sit on my laptop or text friends throughout the match and glance up whenever the commentator gets excited.

As for the UCL, I really couldn't care less. The Europa league is much more exciting with a larger variety of teams. Unfortunately football is all about the money so this won't be changing in a hurry.

 

[JPRouve]

Decision on van Gaal's future will have already been made by now. Seen people say that even if we finish fourth we wouldn't deserve it based on our performances... not like City has been tearing every team apart. Just three points by them in 9 games against the top 6 - and all three points have been in away games.

It's more about being proud of the "achievement" than anything else, the fact that City have been shite doesn't alter the feeling that United had an underwhelming season, where the fans have been almost disgusted by the football displayed. It is a subjective feeling of unworthiness.

 

[#07]

Louis Van Gaal couldn't get us out of a group containing PSV, Wolfsburg and CSKA. Why would anyone assume we'd do better next season if we qualify for the Champions League? We haven't even scored 50 league goals. A Louis Van Gaal Man Utd will be humiliated in the Champions League next season, just as they were this season. Sticking with this manager is sticking the nails in our own coffin.

 

[Sky1981]

if you hate him so much, why don't you boo him out at the stadium?

Are we too high and mighty to boo our own Manager

 

[Wumminator]

Oh god. @Pexbo

Crikey. That was a car crash of a post.

 

[ManUchosenbosslvg]

Even if we made it into the CL spots I wouldn't have much faith in us actually winning a qualifier nevermind getting out of a group. The money men want us there for financial reasons, we'd have no impact on the CL itself. It's all made very dramatic anyway, CL or no CL is just an excuse players make for transfers, if we pay the huge wages, they will play for us.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I can see why people would want van Gaal out at any cost but do you really want to be watching United in the Europa League? It's Capital One Cup of European competitions - it's shitty, boring and a waste of time.

That describes pretty much every match we play under LVG.

 

[Mr Smith]

Baffled that some people are actually saying they don't care about Champions League football. Where did this attitude come from???

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Enjoying football is more important surely. We qualified for Champions League for this season. Did it make our season any better?

Missed the point. The question is does nothing matter as long as LVG is there? Surely fans should still want what is best for "their" club, even if we are managed by LVG? Whether we finish 4th or 16th, play CL football or get relegated, it doesn't matter? As a fan, of course it does, to me. That's why I hope we win every game and cheer us on. Otherwise one might as well stop being a supporter till he's gone.

 

[Raees]

What is the point of being in the CL if all you are going to do is embarrass yourself in the group stages and use the CL money to buy mediocre players who will train under a mediocre coach? It will still be a season wasted.

You have to think more long term than one seasons worth of champions league football. It is more important to bring in a great manager who could transform this team during the summer and give us a strong league campaign next year and set us up well for actually making a proper impact on the CL the year after. Under LVG/Giggs.. this side is never going to achieve anything in the league or the CL - FACT.

This club needs to be a contender for CL trophies, we are not here to be Top 4 specialists. This isn't Arsenal.. it is Manchester United. If we have to swallow a bitter pill now and sacrifice european football whilst we get our house in order next year so be it, because I am pretty sure under Mourinho this team could be league champions in two years, he has that ability.

BTW this is based just from a results POV, if you take into account how awful we are to watch, it is an absolute no brainer to want us to miss out on top 4 in order to want LVG gone. I still want us to win the FA Cup because that is a trophy, but top 4 is meaningless unless you have a genuine shot at winning the CL.

 

[ti vu]

It's more about being proud of the "achievement" than anything else, the fact that City have been shite doesn't alter the feeling that United had an underwhelming season, where the fans have been almost disgusted by the football displayed. It is a subjective feeling of unworthiness.

This. We're not deluded like few fans of other teams, that the finishing position would give an good indication that's the team does well, deserves it. We're one of the biggest clubs and the football display of the team is nowhere up to the standard we should aspire to. We're clearly not on the right track at the moment. By flukeing the finishing position can be a real long term damage if LVG stayed one more year which doesn't bring optimistic at all seeing the football this 2 seasons. Then having Giggs which is a huge gamble. This can be a long term disaster so understandably losing CL football next season in exchange for quality management change would be preferred.

 

[acnumber9]

Missed the point. The question is does nothing matter as long as LVG is there? Surely fans should still want what is best for "their" club, even if we are managed by LVG? Whether we finish 4th or 16th, play CL football or get relegated, it doesn't matter? As a fan, of course it does, to me. That's why I hope we win every game and cheer us on. Otherwise one might as well stop being a supporter till he's gone.

How have I missed the point then? He's asking for opinions. Not sharing yours doesn't equate to missing the point. If some people would rather enjoy their football than limp into the Champions League and endure another season like this one then that's their prerogative. Who are you to say that missing out on Champions League and therefore replacing the manager is not what is best for the club?

 

[Drifter]

Seriously? I love it, i follow a fair number of the top european leagues and love us being involved.

That's where we differ .I don't really care that much about other europeon leagues.

 

[doomy20]

I did not have any fun at all in this seasons champions league games. It was painful to watch, boring and in the end embarrassing - surely not the way i want United to be presented in europe and the world. That´s the reason i dont want another CL season with van Gaal, as it will most likely be another group stage exit. I´d rather pause for a season, change the coach, chance a team (a little bit), concentrate on the league and come back stronger.

 

[JPRouve]

This. We're not deluded like few fans of other teams, that the finishing position would give an good indication that's the team does well, deserves it. We're one of the biggest clubs and the football display of the team is nowhere up to the standard we should aspire to. We're clearly not on the right track at the moment. By flukeing the finishing position can be a real long term damage if LVG stayed one more year which doesn't bring optimistic at all seeing the football this 2 seasons. Then having Giggs which is a huge gamble. This can be a long term disaster so understandably losing CL football next season in exchange for quality management change would be preferred.

But it needs to be said that if we end up in a CL spot, it would have been a deserved outcome because you can't be lucky or unlucky on a stretch on 38 games. The fact that we are underwhelmed doesn't mean that the qualification won't be deserved.

 

[ArmchairCritic]

It's a mixture of watching Arsenal qualify for it every year and get knocked out in the round of 16 and watching us actually attempt to play something resembling football. In SAF's years the CL was always built as the tournament, he was almost obsessive in his pursuit of it and now we're pissing around scoring 44 goals or so in 36 games scraping our way to maybe finishing 4th and probably meekly surrendering in the round of 16 at best if we do finish 4th. No one really cares, they'd much rather we actually build a team and start playing. Leicester City have won the league and there's a school of thought that us finishing 4th just to please the accountant is ok, if we have any ambition of being the best in the country again it should really make zero difference whether we finish 4th or 5th, the football has regressed severely.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

How have I missed the point then? He's asking for opinions. Not sharing yours doesn't equate to missing the point. If some people would rather enjoy their football than limp into the Champions League and endure another season like this one then that's their prerogative. Who are you to say that missing out on Champions League and therefore replacing the manager is not what is best for the club?

Apologies. I misread the post you quoted.

 

[ManUArfa]

Ridiculous point of view. Two of the last four premier league champions aren't gonna make it to the CL this year. Managers who were previously thought to be good like Mourinho doesn't guarentee champions league football. With the premier league this strong not one team is guarenteed to be getting CL year in year out. It's a privilidge not a guarentee.

This.

Any team that is rebuilding or in need of a rebuild is going to struggle in the new era of big bucks for all PL teams and the Leicester example.

We don't have the god given right to success and the freak of nature that was SAF is now long gone.

 

[2 man midfield]

If we had a decent replacement around.

You're not a fan of Jose then? If not, would you rather we kept Van Gaal than pursued Mourinho? If so, what evidence is there that we'd do better?

 

[Leftback99]

I'd rather be in the CL than not if only for the financial well being of the club at this stage. However if we were playing Real Madrid in the group stage under LVG in September i wouldn't be excited about it, i'd expect us to lose 4-0 minimum.

The player recruitment factor is massively overrated, Leicester and Spurs are the top 2 in the league.

 

[Wumminator]

You're not a fan of Jose then? If not, would you rather we kept Van Gaal than pursued Mourinho? If so, what evidence is there that we'd do better?

For one this season.