Red Hand Devil
Plan M ish
Greece's GDP then..Taxes and everything included it would probably go up to +60m€.
Greece's GDP then..Taxes and everything included it would probably go up to +60m€.
Sounds like something a Beauty Queen Pageant entrant would say - alongside wanting World Peace..I'd be a lot more comfortable with our current centre-back options if it is true that De Gea is staying for another year. The experience of Schweinsteiger in front of them is a positive too. Maybe Jones will finally have a breakthrough season. If Smalling can form a consistent partnership with somebody then we will be much better thank last season.
I can see this too. Jones and Smalling just signed new deals, I think if Ramos is unattainable then LVG would rather go with those guys.Call me crazy but I can totally see us not buying a CB.
Where do you people get this nonsense from? 'Natural leader' - how do you quantify that? It's not like Smalling has visually been marshaling the defence for the last half of the season, and was our third choice captain.Stones looks like a natural leader and a possible future England captain. Smalling is great but not really a leader. Jones hasn't really convinced yet with positional sense and composure.
I hope so as well but I've always had a nagging feeling that it seemed odd for LvG to buy another CB of that type as opposed to a ball playing CB, simply because we don't have one of those and he likes to build from the back.Thanks for clearing that. It's a relief. I am convinced that we are after Otamendi (all media reports though) and it would be great if we get him.
If not him then I would like us to take a punt with Stones. He is well established at his club but the lure of higher wages should be able to turn his head. Also, I am guessing Everton will look at offers above £24 million.
Was said of Jones before we signed him. Numerous times.Stones looks like a natural leader and a possible future England captain. Smalling is great but not really a leader. Jones hasn't really convinced yet with positional sense and composure.
Yeah, that's right. Our interest in Stones (if true) will be a bit weird. However, if the process of identifying targets that Woody explained during his interview is anything to go by then there is a chance that he might end up 2nd or 3rd in our list after maybe Otamendi and Ramos.I hope so as well but I've always had a nagging feeling that it seemed odd for LvG to buy another CB of that type as opposed to a ball playing CB, simply because we don't have one of those and he likes to build from the back.
That's something Stones would give us and he's young but not completely inexperienced as he's a regular in the PL.
More the reason for a quality CB, anything less would be foolish.When Evans, Jones and Smalling inevitably get injured at the same time then I think Carrick will be played there.
Perhaps we know we won't get Ramos since he doesn't want to leave, Ramos is using us to get himself a lucrative new contract and we are using him and now the supposed lack of interest in Otamendi to bring his price down, £35m does seem a bit high.This apparent Otamendi snub has me stumped. Surely, there's something brewing behind the scenes.
I think this may well be the plan. I'm not sure it's a very good one...Carrick?
Agreed... And agreedI think this may well be the plan. I'm not sure it's a very good one...
He's got no chance escaping injury playing at CB.Agreed... And agreed
Good point about personality & leadership. Can't say any of our current CBs exude that leadership vibe. Nor do I get the feeling any of them leads the back 4 like Vidic or Rio did. Not that I think any should defer to one or the other, but I'm not sure who is in charge. Seems a Ramos or Otamendi can come in and lead (well maybe not the latter), but maybe it's time either Smailing and/or Jones takes the mantle of leadership. If they can (& stay healthy), then getting another CB becomes moot. I know, two big IF's.Maybe experience is less important to him than personality. For example, someone like Terry was more of a leader at a young age than most veteran CBs.
Of the young talent around, Laporte or Stones would probably be the players we'd most likely go for.
Stones could not play on the left?The reason we will struggle to entice John Stones is because we have the RCB spot more than covered.
its not about how little we value our players, his stock not exactly high is it, hes more or less always injured like rafa whose also on his way out, plus Stones is very talented and has a bright future ahead of him more than can be said for evansIt's a pretty ridiculous transfer market where we would have to pay £20 million AND give away an experienced CL and domestic centre back in order to sign an inexperienced 21 year old. Shows how little we tend to value our players
allegedly out of contract and injured.Vlaar.
You're crazy. We willCall me crazy but I can totally see us not buying a CB.
Yes. He just signed a new contract with a giant release.Taxes and everything included it would probably go up to +60m€.
God damn itHe's brimming with it.
Only one who picked up on it.God damn it
Well he would be the 3rd best CB which than says a lot about the players he will be ahead of... And how is 30 to old??Vlaar is not only not good enough and too old, he's also injured and not likely to play until 2016.
Bloody hell - Vlaar?Vlaar is not only not good enough and too old, he's also injured and not likely to play until 2016.
He's not better than Smalling, Jones or Rojo and on his day Evans was better than Vlaar. 30 is a player heading into the twilight of their career and even more so given he's quite injury prone, you only bring in players like that if they are top class and you want their elite leve experience to add to the team, like we've done with Schweinsteiger.Well he would be the 3rd best CB which than says a lot about the players he will be ahead of... And how is 30 to old??
We are hitting the weird period of the transfer window where there's a position we need to fill and all sorts of names get flung around. I think Woody and LvG have shown the intention is quality not just any port in a storm.Bloody hell - Vlaar?
Folk need a head check for suggesting him. Well summed up man..
Not a bad idea mate, but Vlaar? Jaysus..Entice Everton with loaning back Stones. Also pick up Vlaar.
Jones/Smalling Rojo/Blind/Mcnair/Carrick/Blackett/Vlaar that should be enough. Ramos or Otamendi would be great, but doesn't seem like its going to happen, not much else really available
Absolutely man. Sure both have said we'll only buy players that will improve the team / squad - common-sense though..We are hitting the weird period of the transfer window where there's a position we need to fill and all sorts of names get flung around. I think Woody and LvG have shown the intention is quality not just any port in a storm.
Not a bad idea mate, but Vlaar? Jaysus..
I would say he is better than Rojo. Rojo is not "top class". Smalling is getting there. Jones might get there. Evans on his day is better....? and what about on Vlaar's day?He's not better than Smalling, Jones or Rojo and on his day Evans was better than Vlaar. 30 is a player heading into the twilight of their career and even more so given he's quite injury prone, you only bring in players like that if they are top class and you want their elite leve experience to add to the team, like we've done with Schweinsteiger.
I wouldnt say Evans is better - even on his birthday. Agree with the other's though.I would say he is better than Rojo. Rojo is not "top class". Smalling is getting there. Jones might get there. Evans on his day is better....? and what about on Vlaar's day?
And hes a free transfer, a stop gap, and will probably be back for Nov, maybe earlier if we rehabilitate him. And the point has been entirely missed with buying Stones and loaning him back...