Be good experience for players to get their hands on a trophy. Winning breeds winning mentality.
If we get 4th or 3rd place, are we interested in Europa League?
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These type of threads always have to be one or the other, why can’t we have both, it’s highly likely we will achieve both. We are now favourites to make top 4 out of us Chelsea and Leicester, and are favourites to win the EL.
Of course we are, I want Ole to win a trophy with this team he is trying to create. It will help him and the players in long term goals.
The Europa League has become an important trophy these days, especially after they introduced the rule of automatic CL qualification for EL winners.
The chance of United winning the CL next year are pretty slim. EL is the priority this season.
The chance of United winning the CL next year are pretty slim. EL is the priority this season.
Winning trophies is the point
Of course, if I was there you would already be winning the league!@dalriada Is that you, Mauricio?
Absolutely.
The players and manager will be taking it seriously and will want to win it so of course I'm interested.
Also it's football in August, what else am I going to be doing?
The players and manager will be taking it seriously and will want to win it so of course I'm interested.
Also it's football in August, what else am I going to be doing?
*Van Gaal voice* That's a stupid question!
Win everything. We are in no position to pick and choose and last time I checked top 4 isn't a trophy.
Win everything. We are in no position to pick and choose and last time I checked top 4 isn't a trophy.
Trophies create culture, it’s imperative that we go for everything that’s possible. Look at bloody Spurs and their hopeless and silly downplaying of the Europa League a few years ago, getting beat by some Danish minnows if I remember correctly. A club that hasn’t won a meaningful trophy since most of us were born started to believe in their own hype and went for the bigger stuff, ending up with absolutely nothing. I remember a few years ago when Fergie went a few years without a trophy and we won the League Cup or whatever, it lead to bigger things the following years. Look at Arsenal and Wenger, destroying the concept of the cups by playing 11 unknown crappy players and falling out of the cups every time. It started the downfall, it lead to culture being broken and players forgetting how to win.
Don’t be like Tottenham and Arsenal, play for the cups - all of them.
Don’t be like Tottenham and Arsenal, play for the cups - all of them.
It's a new one on me if they can appeal again.
I get the point the OP is making, instead of a summer break we will go into another round of competitive fixtures and then straight into a PL season (where in recent years the margin for error has been practically zero). I don’t think you can completely disregard whether it’s more beneficial to be fresh or to have won a trophy. It’s at least up for a fair debate because by next May we will have been playing football for a year straight.
I would fall on the side of winning mentality being infectious and it would be good from the managers, players and fans (and the financial and marketing departments) for us to win it. Hopefully we bring in a couple of quality players to ease The workload.
I would fall on the side of winning mentality being infectious and it would be good from the managers, players and fans (and the financial and marketing departments) for us to win it. Hopefully we bring in a couple of quality players to ease The workload.
That's good to know, thanks Mr Van Gaal..
We just have to win 3 games (4 if you include Lask) and the trophy is ours so the argument or the point of blaming europa for fatigue is silly. I bet more fans will be pissed if we were to be knocked out in the semis or lose the final.
I for one hope we win this trophy. Liverpool have overtaken us in trophy counts so any trophy is a bonus. Of course winning the league should be a priority.
Some really weird thinking among our fans 
I would want us to win the full memebers cup if it were still a thing.
Of course we should, this shouldn't even be up for question. If the hypothetical choice was between winning the EL (and doing so doesnt give you a place in the CL) OR securing a top 4 finish then it would be more of a debate.
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Judge and Woodward will be in Dortmund negotiating for Sancho while we're beating Roma.
Imagine if we got Rangers (and Gerrard) in the final.
Of course we should. We are United we should be trying to win ever single game we play.
Course it is it’s a European trophy , it’ll ease the pain of the league a little
A trophy is a trophy is a trophy. There are no trophies handed out for placing 4th.
Given the choice between finishing out of CL places but qualifying for CL through winning the Europa, or placing in CL places but finishing the season empty handed, I'd take the former. You get both. A trophy and CL qualification.
Given the choice between finishing out of CL places but qualifying for CL through winning the Europa, or placing in CL places but finishing the season empty handed, I'd take the former. You get both. A trophy and CL qualification.
Sure but just heavily rotate the team. Treat it like pre-season to keep the guys fresh for next season
Great point, forgot about that!
That's a great incentive and we want this squad to get used to winning things, so absolutely we want them to go for it.
From my years on the caf, whenever we get to the second half of the season, there seems to be a section of fans who almost can’t wait for us to hurry up and lose or have nothing to play for so that they can get to see a bunch of teenagers make what will usually be first of <10 appearances for the club.
It's only a maximum of 3 games. Of course we need to go all out for it.
Of course we are... it’s 3 games to win a trophy ffs (we can play our B team in the second leg against LASK). What is even the point of watching football if we are not interested in winning trophies...
People are pretending the EL is free of cost, so to say, since its after the PL finished. I would argue that this is offset by the reduced break and preseason our players will have.
So while winning a trophy is always great, I dont think it's quite as black and white.
So while winning a trophy is always great, I dont think it's quite as black and white.
Nothing validates the direction of a team, especially a young one, like winning a trophy. It's often the first stepping stone onto greater things, so should be our priority. 2 cups AND top 4 would be a massive boost.
Not fussed at all, new season starts so soon after much more important to get all the training and recovery done.
Erm, it's a big trophy so yes?
Absolutely! With City and Pool picking up trophies this season, even more so. Europa League is madly undervalued in the UK. It's the third most important trophy any European top-league club can win.
Our players have had a 3 month break they should only need a couple of weeks away with their families, if that's allowed, then they can get straight back at it.
Very strange topic. It is a trophy for the club. In 50 years, and in 100 years, everyone will still know that the team won a trophy in 2020. But 3rd or 4th place - who cares?
Manchester United must always be in the business of winning trophies. Top 3 or top 4 is just a position. I am confident that we will win Europa Trophy. Whats the point of entering a competition if you don't aim to win it?
This is why CL needs to be restricted to actual league winners and CL/EL winners, so people don't make threads like this
Having said what I said earlier, it would be massive for Ole to lift a trophy this season, put a lot of doubts to bed and breed confidence. It’ll be interesting how he handles his squad as overplaying will lead to injuries.
Which of the following Matic would rather answer;
"I'm here with Nemanja Matic. Nemanja looking back at the 19/20 season, considering all that went on. You must have been proud of the 4th placed finish?"
"I'm here with Nemanja Matic. Nemanja looking back at the 19/20 season, considering all that went on. 3rd place, the FA Cup and success in the Europa League. Just how did it feel to finally get your hand on some silverware with the club? Especially after the disappointment of a few years ago in the FA Cup final?"
"I'm here with Nemanja Matic. Nemanja looking back at the 19/20 season, considering all that went on. You must have been proud of the 4th placed finish?"
"I'm here with Nemanja Matic. Nemanja looking back at the 19/20 season, considering all that went on. 3rd place, the FA Cup and success in the Europa League. Just how did it feel to finally get your hand on some silverware with the club? Especially after the disappointment of a few years ago in the FA Cup final?"
As Louis van Gaal once said, "We go for it!!"
Yes. It's a trophy and would be a massive boost for United since we're basically going directly into the new season after the final.
Ole will rotate heavily for the match against Lask but after that I expect to see our strongest squad with maybe a couple of changes where we can afford to make changes depending on who we play in the next match.
Ole will rotate heavily for the match against Lask but after that I expect to see our strongest squad with maybe a couple of changes where we can afford to make changes depending on who we play in the next match.
Hope so! Whilst being in the top four would be good, it's not silverware. If we can add silverware to a potential top four finish, then I think it should go down as a very good season for Ole.
There is no chance we aren't playing our best outfield team (+ Romero) with perhaps some experimentation with Ole to see how 1-2 players gel with others. Most of our B team isn't good enough and probably are out of the club.
Having said that I don't give much importance to our 2016-17 win (beyond a place in CL) and probably won't care about this one either in a couple of years. Its basically won by one of the tier-2 teams in England/Spain and we don't intend to stay in that bracket anymore
Having said that I don't give much importance to our 2016-17 win (beyond a place in CL) and probably won't care about this one either in a couple of years. Its basically won by one of the tier-2 teams in England/Spain and we don't intend to stay in that bracket anymore