If you don’t understand why Ole is a gamble worth taking… you’re doing football support wrong

[Ainu]

What a hilariously bad "article". It's all over the place with nothing but unfounded generalisations and doesn't offer a single argument for keeping faith in Solskjaer beyond "it would be so, so special". And then the cheek of the author to present themself as an authority on how you should support a football team. It's nothing but pretentious garbage. They'll probably call you entitled or spoilt if you disagree though.

 

[Mockney]

The kind of thing that would’ve been posted on The Anfield Wrap 10 years ago and we wouldve laughed at, and spends half its length insulting other fans for not meeting the appropriate purity standards.

Nice. We’re now that club.

 

[Sky1981]

I'd rather have a manager who's professional, even if he doesnt love the club but delivering trophies. Compares to an out of depth manager that loves the club.

Do you think pep loves city? Or klopp loves liverpool when he first start there? Or alex Ferguson loved united in his first 5 years?

We are making a checklist of romantically useless stuff while neglecting the important one.

Our current wish list of a manager is very laughable
1. Play youth
2. Attacking football
3. United value ( as intangible as it sounds)
4. Not being a cnut

 

[Class of 63]

@Class of 63 this poster is correct. They were older in the 95 final but LVG brought them through to the first team at 16 and 17. Sorry for the confusion.

I don't know how(maybe on one of those obscure German channels on Sky that showed soft-porn after 22:00, but I saw Seedorf's debut at 16, he played deep just in front of the back-three and he was alternating left and right foot 60/70 yard diagonals to feet, it was phenomenal, i've never seen anything like it before or since. Paul Pogba should try and get hold of a copy.

 

[Adnan]

I don't know how(maybe on one of those obscure German channels on Sky that showed soft-porn after 22:00, but I saw Seedorf's debut at 16, he played deep just in front of the back-three and he was alternating left and right foot 60/70 yard diagonals to feet, it was phenomenal, i've never seen anything like it before or since. Paul Pogba should try and get hold of a copy.

I think I remember that German channel and think it was called DSF with Beckenbauer being one of the pundits.

Seedorf was a unbelievable talent and the best of all the young kids that came through at Ajax.

 

[Nickelodeon]

I love Ole and want him to succeed as much as any of our supporters. But as things stand, the situation is untenable. There is no structure at the club and Ole can only do so much. Since the structure is unlikely to improve, it is always the manager who pays the price.

Ole would/might have been a good choice if the overall organization in terms of recruitment, scouting, training facilities and player contracts and negotiations wouldn't require his complete attention. As hard as it is, we would eventually need a manager who is capable of running the entire club right from signing the players to coaching them and adding tactical nous. Based on the evidence, Ole is not that guy.

 

[Bobcat]

Van Gaal didn't just come to win trophies he had a blue print for the longterm, but the current ownership requires a bare minimum requirement and that was the reason money was spent on established players. Van Gaal himself mentioned this in a press conference. Anyone that is familiar with Van Gaal and i'm sure there is many Dutch fans on the caf that are, will know that Van Gaal took great pleasure in building teams with the longterm in mind and won a European Cup with a 16 year old and 17 year old playing playing important roles. He actually preferred working with younger players because he believed it was easier to coach his philosophy to the kids. For someone to say he only came to United with a short term mind set are talking absolute BS which is very easily refuted.

If signing Maguire and Wan Bissaka for world record sums is longterm planning in Ole's mind, then such a strategy isn't just a waste of club funds, for two players who aren't even close to being among the best in their roles. It's absolutely silly and naive on his part and reinforces the view that he isn't the man for the job and that's without scruitinizing his tactical ability/acumen.

That might be true, but Van Gaal kind of dug his own grave with his transfers. Some of them were just bad players, but almost all of them were a terrible fit for the system he tried to implement. Di Maria thrives in counter attacking systems and he did not want to be here, same with Depay.

Falcao was just a strange signing a 30 year old that has done his ACL?, Rojo, Darmian and Schneiderlin not good enough. Herrera and Martial were great signings, but both of them seemed out of favor with him for some reason. Herrera for example could deliver 6 MOTM performances in a row, then he had one mediocre one and then was sent to the doghouse. His instance to stick with Rooney was also baffling as everyone could see he was fading badly and needed to be used sparingly.

And AWB and Maguire have improved us greatly, British players are overpriced, thats just how it works. Considering City paid 50 million for Stones and Walker in 2016, and PSG was willing to give 50 million for David fecking Luiz its not like they are the most overprices defenders in history

 

[JPRouve]

I don't know how(maybe on one of those obscure German channels on Sky that showed soft-porn after 22:00, but I saw Seedorf's debut at 16, he played deep just in front of the back-three and he was alternating left and right foot 60/70 yard diagonals to feet, it was phenomenal, i've never seen anything like it before or since. Paul Pogba should try and get hold of a copy.

Your first sentence is something that has always perplexed me, I was also able to watch Bundesliga games and some CL games on german TV but I have no idea how.

 

[Tom Cato]

This is borderline delusional. Our youngsters will most likely not be a new Class of 92, and several of them won't even make it at United, or even in the PL.

Not even Rashford would be a guaranteed starter in a top European team!

You didn't even mention our biggest talent, which is clearly Dean Henderson. I'll wager a strong bet he makes England number one in not too long. He has been consistently great for well over two years, which is streets ahead of all our other youngster's average performance, including Rashford.

Well sure, if you're going to be all meanspirited about it. I'm happy to reply in kind.

I put class of 92 in brackets because its OBVIOUSLY not going to be the same. That's what the bracket are there for. What should be apparent is that we have a new crop of youngsters that are A-team ready now, and they are approaching 21, with several established first teamers under 22. The players I mentioned are ready now. If you don't agree, visit an optician. Brandon Williams have scored his first team goal and gotten MotM both his first starts in the EPL and EL. Greenwood is on the board in the EPL and Europe. AWB i 21, Rashford 22. Angel Gomes will break into the team this season if he keeps up form in the U-23s, Garner keeps getting fed minutes. Sigh, why bother being pessimistic? Go support Liverpool if they're so much better, or anyone else for that matter.

Marcus Rashford is on pace for 30+ goals on the season including all competitions. That is nearly three times his all time output from previous seasons. To ignore the massive strides he's taken is so utterly pointless. He's on pace for 30+, at the ripe old age of 22. If he keeps the pace and does land on that number, at that age, he's worth over £100m. And that is quite literally market price for a player with those stats and that age.

I abolutely swear that you must get a massive justiceboner for crapping all over your own team and players, while simultaneously achieving the impressive feat of glorifying everyone else. "Wouldn't be a guaranteed starter" my a**.

I'm not really going to excuse myself for not mentioning Henderson, mainly because he's unlikely to become the MUFC #1 goalkeeper for the next 4 year unless De Gea falls of a cliff. The club will have to either let De Gea go in a couple years to make room for Henderson, or sell Henderson as he won't be a backup keeper.

 

[RedBanker]

Nobody:

Ole in fellas: if you want Ole out you are doing supporting wrong. Go and find another club!

Ole out fellas: ok. Will wait till he gets the sack.

Hoooaah!

 

[Class of 63]

I think I remember that German channel and think it was called DSF with Beckenbauer being one of the pundits.

Seedorf was a unbelievable talent and the best of all the young kids that came through at Ajax.

Yeah was gutted when Sky switched to digital because we lost 2 or 3 of the foreign channels that showed a 'live' match or two a day. "offsides, offsides

Seedorf was outstanding, played at the highest level for nearly two decades, and when you think of the trophies he won yet he rarely get's a mention when folk suggest their favourite player, or trying picking a team from his era, strange, very strange.

 

[Ødegaard]

Really? I must have missed that memo!

Or are you talking about articles that are behind paywalls? This one isn't

I figured it was all articles, my bad!

 

[Rood]

I don't know how(maybe on one of those obscure German channels on Sky that showed soft-porn after 22:00, but I saw Seedorf's debut at 16, he played deep just in front of the back-three and he was alternating left and right foot 60/70 yard diagonals to feet, it was phenomenal, i've never seen anything like it before or since. Paul Pogba should try and get hold of a copy.

RTL nostalgia overload

I remember the porn but not the football TBH

 

[Class of 63]

Your first sentence is something that has always perplexed me, I was also able to watch Bundesliga games and some CL games on german TV but I have no idea how.

I always thought you got spoilt rotten on the Continent with football from other Leagues long before SkyTV. Remember on a School Ski Trip to Italy circa 79 and I was watching 'live' or as live matches from Germany and France, maybe one or two others, but not Italian I don't think.

 

[Cassidy]

It’s too much to ask the Ole Out brigade.
But the three points you listed:
*Signings have been the best we’ve made under any post-Fergie manager
*Tactics are to at least attempt a forward press which we desperately need, playing youth to good effect
*Motivation is hard to determine however the players are still behind him and numerous players have improved under him

This threadbare squad of teenagers finishes mid table under any manager on the planet

Signings haven't actually been that great given the tactics he wishes to employ. Example wants to play a high press but signed a CB and partnered him with another CB which lacks pace to push up and squeeze the pitch.

Tactics are not great, we do not forward press effectively, running alot does not equal and effective press. Still no clue how to break down a low block and still no clue how to protect a lead in the last 10/15 mins of a game. He has not exactly improved tactically from his stint last season.

Motivation is fair, that is hard to judge.

 

[Rista]

Nobody:

Negative lad: Ole In lads are blinded by faith, delusional! Ole has no brain! Clueless!

Positive lad: Okay.

The "Nobody: " thing doesn't even make fecking sense. It implies nobody is saying nothing therefore everybody is saying something.

Not a surprise someone who uses these memes thinks this "article" is any good.

 

[Ish]

YouTube level post.

some quality posts in here amol.

 

[tenpoless]

The "Nobody: " thing doesn't even make fecking sense. It implies nobody is saying nothing therefore everybody is saying something.

Not a surprise someone who uses these memes thinks this "article" is any good.

Correct

 

[SweetRightFoot]

This is an incredibly dumb post. Please stay in the newbies.

Fantastic analysis, got any protips or pointers you could give to improve my clear and honest opinions?

 

[Adnan]

That might be true, but Van Gaal kind of dug his own grave with his transfers. Some of them were just bad players, but almost all of them were a terrible fit for the system he tried to implement. Di Maria thrives in counter attacking systems and he did not want to be here, same with Depay.

Falcao was just a strange signing a 30 year old that has done his ACL?, Rojo, Darmian and Schneiderlin not good enough. Herrera and Martial were great signings, but both of them seemed out of favor with him for some reason. Herrera for example could deliver 6 MOTM performances in a row, then he had one mediocre one and then was sent to the doghouse. His instance to stick with Rooney was also baffling as everyone could see he was fading badly and needed to be used sparingly.

And AWB and Maguire have improved us greatly, British players are overpriced, thats just how it works. Considering City paid 50 million for Stones and Walker in 2016, and PSG was willing to give 50 million for David fecking Luiz its not like they are the most overprices defenders in history

Van Gaal needed a DoF IMO and that was his downfall because he got the recruitment wrong, because as a coach he had alot of ability and is considered one of the great tactical minds of the last 25 years.

I don't think AWB or Maguire have improved us 'greatly'. Wan Bissaka for £50m is limited going forward and I can't think of a single top club that would have him as their starting RB. He plays the fullback role like fullbacks in the 80s and 90s played with minimal attacking threat which was fine at the time. But many fans wanted a upgrade at fullback due to the role of the fullback becoming extremely important going forward to create overlaps in tandem with a inverted winger. Wan Bissaka in that regard is extremely weak which is a huge concern and I fully expect young Ethan Laird to overtake him in time due to being a better allround fullback for the modern game. Laird scored 22 goals in a season from LB at youth level a few years back, so fits the fullback or wingback role like a glove which is invaluable for any coach as far as changing formation goes.


Maguire for £80m was an even bigger madness and there were players that could've been signed that I believe could've done just aswell or better, with more potential in the longrun. I don't mind seeing us spend big on top talent who are displaying world class potential like Sancho, Haaland or Konate who are considered among the best in their age group. But neither Wan Bissaka or Maguire fall into that categorie.

The best thing we could do is stop buying players from the likes of Leicester and Palace etc and look to mainland Europe for talent. The lower leagues in England also have good young talent and we should look to make moves on the likes of Eze from QPR rather than be taken to the cleaners by Leicester for Maddison.

 

[Massive Spanner]

That article is a load of pompous shite with no actual substance.

 

[Class of 63]

RTL nostalgia overload

I remember the porn but not the football TBH

I used to tape some of it and take it to my local pub, didn't buy a pint for yonks

 

[Rado_N]

Fantastic analysis, got any protips or pointers you could give to improve my clear and honest opinions?

Make posts that aren’t dumb.

hth

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Self-righteous bollocks.

I am capable of forming my own opinion on anything and everything and I refuse to follow blindly if I don't see something worth following.

Call it not being a true fan.

I call it being capable of critical thinking and not giving a feck if I'm not considered 'part of the gang'.

 

[roonster09]

hth

Mike?

 

[Rado_N]

Mike?

Huh?

 

[roonster09]

Huh?

hth. MikeLuhg guy uses it for every tweet, thought you were mocking him.

 

[Rado_N]

hth. MikeLuhg guy uses it for every tweet, thought you were mocking him.

Ah, no idea who he is sorry, it’s an old Caf reference.

 

[JPRouve]

The article is based on a false premise. It seems to be attacking the idea of 'mocking' Solskjaer, Rashford, et al. That's fair enough and I agree. Ole clearly cares about the club and wants to succeed, so to mock him on social media or whatever is clearly a cheap shot. But that's not the same as believing his management may not be the best course of action for the club to get back to being successful, which is what many (most?) people are actually saying. People insulting Ole or taking cheap digs (and there are a few on here like that, for sure!) are pathetic and probably have issues in their lives beyond 'doing football support wrong', but to have a care and concern for the way Ole is managing the team and expressing it cogently doesn't merit that same accusation.

You are spot on but what you say here isn't interesting at the moment, everything is supposed to be binary. You are either a good supporter that believes in everything done by the club and its members or you are a bad supporter. The worst part about all of this is that any honest people will admit that if Ole wasn't currently the manager, no one would think that he deserves to manage United and there would be no article suggesting that it's a good idea for United. Nothing in Ole's career prior to United suggest that he is a top club manager and nothing that he has done at United actually points to it either.

 

[Rozay]

I’m fully behind him, and I like much of what I’m seeing at the moment.

 

[NinjaZombie]

What is supporting a football club about, if not sentimentality and romanticism?

 

[Adnan]

I’m fully behind him, and I like much of what I’m seeing at the moment.

What do you like?

Do you think he spent the £130m wisely which inturn meant Smalling wanted to leave?

 

[Massive Spanner]

I’m fully behind him, and I like much of what I’m seeing at the moment.

Is any of what you're seeing on the football pitch?

 

[Godfather]

That's something you would have read on RAWK during the Benitez days. Shame we have become just as deluded. Or some at least.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

What do you like?

Do you think he spent the £130m wisely which inturn meant Smalling wanted to leave?

I don't understand this sudden romanticism over Smalling. He has been nothing more than mediocre for vast swathes of his 9 seasons here under multiple different managers. Credit to him for heeding his wake up call and showing something of himself at Roma but one can't also ask for more opportunities for players like Tuanzebe while holding onto Smalling, Jones and Rojo.

 

[R'hllor]

What the feck is this shit, some CIA program for brainwashing?

 

[R'hllor]

I’m fully behind him, and I like much of what I’m seeing at the moment.

Liverpool fans saying the same.

 

[JPB]

All I got from this, is that you like Ole and don't like Jose. You could have typed that in less words mate.

 

[Adnan]

I don't understand this sudden romanticism over Smalling. He has been nothing more than mediocre for vast swathes of his 9 seasons here under multiple different managers. Credit to him for heeding his wake up call and showing something of himself at Roma but one can't also ask for more opportunities for players like Tuanzebe while holding onto Smalling, Jones and Rojo.

I never had a problem with Smalling leaving but the circumstances surrounding his departure didn't suit the club considering our current predicament. Is it fair to say, if he was currently at the club he'd be starting alongside Maguire.?

 

[TrueRed79]

He has a (MUFC) 28.6% win rate as a manager (permanent) but gets the club etc. He may be doing things the right way but that doesn't mean he's capable of turning us into challengers/top 4 material. It's our worst start to a season in over 30 years but that's seemingly fine as we will hit bumps in the road. Laughable! Any other top club and he'd be shown the door, simple as.