Sancho doesn’t have all the space he had if Weghorst didn’t drag the defenders away. But stats don’t show that shit, so fans who know naff all about football have decided he’s crap.
Ighalo Vs Weghorst
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He did miss many sitters wasting many chances though. Fans have their rights to complain.
I think he is abit like Fellaini or even Lingard for us - willing to work his socks off for the team, but talent/attacking wise just not up to it. But as long as we are winning, there’s nothing much to complain about his role for us.
Not only that. We are comparing 2 players under 2 managers, with different tactics.
What we know for sure, is that both are coming from relegated clubs, 1 is black, 1 is white. That's about it.
If you put Messi under Mourinho, probably get bench every game, because he doesn't press, doesn't tackle, doesn't make professional foul if necessary.
You can only judge their contribution base on minutes under each manager, and there is a clear winner. It doesn't mean we will buy Weghorst in the summer, it only means ETH thinks he is contributing to the team during Martial's absence.
The topic of interest, should have been Martial. Are we happy with his contribution, should we replace him with someone more reliable. Weghorst is DEFINITELY not a replacement for Martial, people just don't get it.
Don't get me started on stats
How fecking long are we going to carry this absolute passenger in our starting line up?
Martial, see what you are doing.
There's other options if we're playing the fecker as a 10
Ighalo was miles better. Weghorst is Bebe/Obertan level. If he wasn’t Dutch, he wouldn’t be at United.
He’s awful. When will this end?
Experiment over. Really couldn't care less if he plays again. Rather give game time to a kid if this is what he produces. He looks and acts post match like a guy who has won a competition to play for us.
The bar has never been lower for a United-player. There will be loads of people claiming he had a good game in the performance-thread.
So many people moaning as if real football is as simple as FIFA or FM in terms of *players stats aren't 80s or 90s = must replace*.
Ferguson had many average players over the years that contributed to the overall machine. How many apps did Cleverley get, O'Shea, Phil Neville, Blomqvist, May, Berg and many others that today people would slate to the ends of the earth.
Both Ighalo and Weghorst were/are stop gaps caused by compounded mismanagement from owners/manager choices. Dont judge them on that. Judge them on what they bring to the overall.
Ighalo wasn't used as much as he could have been in the final season. He knew where the goal was, was unselfish, was slightly more of a goalscorer, and could play back to goal and link a little better.
Weghorst is a dog after a bone, which rubs off on others, gets the crowd going, is a physical presence which causes problems and creates loose balls amongst a defence, second ball opportunities that otherwise wouldn't arise. He is an out ball and not a drain on the mental and structural balance of the side a la Ronaldo.
Neither are exactly the level we need, but they were here, did a job, and had something to offer. They were not Ali Dias. Not like sticking John from the White Lion in the team. Goals aren't always clean moves in one phase, they come from second, third phases, loose balls, can be caused by pressure or a run that doesnt get passed to. Some players offer those elements. Forlan springs to mind as an example of that. Ighalo caused goals that the team wouldn't otherwise have scored and so has Weghorst.
Strive for more sure, but don't pretend they have absolutely zero contribution to the sum of the parts.
As for my choice between the two..it's very tight. Ighalo had clearly better finishing technique, but not all goals come from clean strikes. Getting it on target in general from half chances cam be the difference. Therefore with the overall increase in physicality and effort that Weghorst offers I would choose him. I believe he can also improve in his offering over time as he settles even more.
Edit: didn't realise the last post on this was early March. Apologies for partial resurrection of it.
Ferguson had many average players over the years that contributed to the overall machine. How many apps did Cleverley get, O'Shea, Phil Neville, Blomqvist, May, Berg and many others that today people would slate to the ends of the earth.
Both Ighalo and Weghorst were/are stop gaps caused by compounded mismanagement from owners/manager choices. Dont judge them on that. Judge them on what they bring to the overall.
Ighalo wasn't used as much as he could have been in the final season. He knew where the goal was, was unselfish, was slightly more of a goalscorer, and could play back to goal and link a little better.
Weghorst is a dog after a bone, which rubs off on others, gets the crowd going, is a physical presence which causes problems and creates loose balls amongst a defence, second ball opportunities that otherwise wouldn't arise. He is an out ball and not a drain on the mental and structural balance of the side a la Ronaldo.
Neither are exactly the level we need, but they were here, did a job, and had something to offer. They were not Ali Dias. Not like sticking John from the White Lion in the team. Goals aren't always clean moves in one phase, they come from second, third phases, loose balls, can be caused by pressure or a run that doesnt get passed to. Some players offer those elements. Forlan springs to mind as an example of that. Ighalo caused goals that the team wouldn't otherwise have scored and so has Weghorst.
Strive for more sure, but don't pretend they have absolutely zero contribution to the sum of the parts.
As for my choice between the two..it's very tight. Ighalo had clearly better finishing technique, but not all goals come from clean strikes. Getting it on target in general from half chances cam be the difference. Therefore with the overall increase in physicality and effort that Weghorst offers I would choose him. I believe he can also improve in his offering over time as he settles even more.
Edit: didn't realise the last post on this was early March. Apologies for partial resurrection of it.
They were both way, way below what you expect of a United forward and the resulting impact is we often look underwhelming going forward. Does Weghorst even offer a level of pressing that makes up for his lack of ability? He might have when he first joined, I'm not seeing anything particularly impressive at this point. I'd much Rashford out of position, or a half crocked Martial there. Forlan was light-years ahead of both of them, despite his underwhelming stint here.
I don't understand all this comparisons. They both played for united at different time and were both useful.....very useful
Different times - think people should rather compare us with other teams in the present, not league winning teams 15-20 years ago. How many average players do City/Real/Bayern have right now? Are any of them starting central forwards?
I agree in principle but.. Choupo Moting?
But our form in the league fell off a cliff since weghorst started and we've won two in two since he was dropped.
Here's our league form since the restart in games weghorst hasnt started
Played 6, won 6
Here's our form in games Weghorst started
Played 9, won 3, drawn 3, lost 3
It's not just a lack of skill, or finishing ability. Our results are noticeably worse when Weghorst plays.
Weghorst is as bad as it gets, or should ever get playing for Manchester United. He’s truly awful. Not his fault whatever but his standard in the games he’s played is garbage.
I thought Ighalo was a useless bum but holy shit, this guy right here is as bottom of the barrel as it gets. Wrexham would finish mid table in the conference if they had him up top.
Ighalo started fairly well then turned to absolute shit but barely played from that point forward so didn't stand out so much.
Wout started decently then turned to absolute shit and has continued to be played a fair amount (although most of that was when we had everyone injured and no other options).
Wout started decently then turned to absolute shit and has continued to be played a fair amount (although most of that was when we had everyone injured and no other options).
Both utter shite.
Ighalo at least started well and scored a few, but Wout WTF is he even doing here, is is about has bad as I have even seen in a United shirt.
Ighalo at least started well and scored a few, but Wout WTF is he even doing here, is is about has bad as I have even seen in a United shirt.
Its pretty obvious:
They both suck
Ighalo had about 10 goals a season in him. Wout I don't think he has even 5 goals.
Easy decision. Ighalo. That's how bad Weghorst is
Playing with 10 men is better than Weghorst. It is criminal that he has played so much. Worst United player I have ever seen.
I dont remember Ighalo scoring in the prem, just cup ties but he sure got closer to scoring one than Weghorst has.
Comparing him to Ighalo is an insult. At least Ighalo offered a threat and found the back of the net from time to time. Weghorst literally offers nothing upfront, he barely even takes a shot.
Speaking of Ighalo, he's currently playing for Al Hilal these days. He had a chance to send the AFC Champions League final (that was on Saturday) to extra time, but the shot went straight at the Urawa Red Diamonds goalkeeper. The Japanese team won the final.
Back on topic, I rate neither. It's hopefully the very last time that we will ever sign a striker on loan.
Back on topic, I rate neither. It's hopefully the very last time that we will ever sign a striker on loan.
I would take Igaho over Weghorst any day. Igaho can score goals. Weghorst has no business being a striker.
Ighalo by a mile.
Ighalo. Its not even close. He was a good Premier League player in his prime. Weghorst is absolutely dire.
I'm afraid it's not even close. Weghorst doesn't have bad qualities as a footballer and could make it somewhere but not as a striker.
Given his height, Weghorst couldn't even win a long ball from the keeper and lay it.
Weghorst is absolutely useless. I've never seen a supposedly big man use the physique that poorly. Has he met a cross in the box yet? I don't think so. And he constantly get's physically dominated by the opponents CBs.
Ighalo performed very well in comparison, although to be fair I think he was called on a lot less than Weghorst has been. Still, I think he would have shown more even if he had been asked to play in the PL as well.
Ighalo performed very well in comparison, although to be fair I think he was called on a lot less than Weghorst has been. Still, I think he would have shown more even if he had been asked to play in the PL as well.
Honestly, Weghorst must be one of the worst strikers in the history of the PL, nevermind us, so any comparison with another player is pointless.
Ighalo was actually decent and scored goals...
I hate this fanbase. Long story from all the games I've been to, but literally couldn't pick a worst bunch to go along with the club I love.
Average is a harsh judgement for some of those players. Berg for one, who arguably never played at his best for MU. It may well be stated that Phil Neville was lucky to get 59 England caps (and I would agree), but an 'average' player would not get near international selection. I think terms used to judge players needs some recalibration if a seasoned international is considered an average player.