If Messi had also spent over a decade at City, had led them to multiple league titles and become a club legend at the Etihad, then any United fan saying he's one of his favourite ever players would be laughed out the room. Especially with all the club legends we've been spoilt with at Old Trafford over the years.So, hypothetically, if Messi went from Barcelona to Man City, and he scored a goal that ensured them winning the title over us, he couldn't be one of my favorite players without me being a City fan?
In an open market: 5 most valuable players in the world?
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That's not what I asked, and you're just twisting arguments now to back up yours. Messi destroyed us in two CL finals, but he's still one of my favorite players. And probably yours. And almost every football fan in the world. So why is that? I was sad when we lost, and by your logic I should hate him. Football is about entertainment, but your neanderthal way of looking at things is pretty sad, to be honest. "OPPONENT SCORE. ME HATE OPPONENT".
Blame @Invictus!
He was originally named Håland though, he switched it to Haaland as he prepared for a successful international career (Erling Braut Håland, son of Alf-Inge Rasdal Håland).
Guy you're responding to is a well known room temperature IQ poster. Saka is a totally fair option to raise if multiple people are raising Kvaratskhelia - a player 6 months older and in his first breakout season with identical domestic stats (in a weaker league), whilst Saka is now in his second.
My top 5 would probably be:
Mbappe
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Vinicius Jr
Haaland
Pedri
Saka/Musiala
It's not the top 5 best players in the world though - it's the top 5 who are worth the most. A 21 year old, English, left-footed, right winger as good as Saka is worth a hell of a lot.
TransferMarkt have him in their top 5 - which I would assume is based on some calculations of sorts.
And these three behind them three.They will look great in white in 2025
Kamingviga. Bellingham, Tchouameni
He has better technical ability and close control.
Jesus. You're losing your head here mate. All I'm saying is it's weird that one of your favourite ever players is a club legend for our local rivals. The fact that he was the guy who scored that stoppage time winner vs QPR adds to the peculiarity of the situation, but it's not the main reason I pulled you up on it: I would've had the same reaction if you had said Gerrard is one of your all time favourites. I'm going to leave you to cool off before you break your keyboard typing in caps.
My question again is what is the basis of that gap between Mbappe and others?
Mbappe has been absolutely underwhelming for PSG this season. The French media and pundits hardly criticise him but that is a fact.
Vini, Saka, Musiala, and definitely Haaland are having better seasons than him. Ofcourse, I think he is a better allround player than all those except imo Musiala. Haaland has mad goal stats although Abu Dhabi aren't better off than last season.
But even after scoring he really wasn't a consistent threat. Outside his additional 2 goals, he had one run from which he was dispossessed eventually.
As for Haaland, he is 95% of the time anonymous outside scoring.
Not losing my head, mate. You missed my point with the usage of caps
It was to illustrate your neanderthal thinking and that's how you came across in my mind, screaming and shouting because an opponent's player scored against you. I'd appreciate if you put me on ignore because I'm not interested in seeing this "you're 100% a blue" each time I post something about a current or ex-City player.I'd rate Mbappe and Haaland as equal in value, they are far ahead of everyone else, so its going to be 200-250m, depends on buying/selling club.
After these two, the rest would be Vinicius Jnr, Musiala, Saka, Osimhen, Kvaratshkelia, Odegaard, Pedri, Gavi, Bellingham, Foden, Rashford etc in no particular order, for around 120-160m range.
After these two, the rest would be Vinicius Jnr, Musiala, Saka, Osimhen, Kvaratshkelia, Odegaard, Pedri, Gavi, Bellingham, Foden, Rashford etc in no particular order, for around 120-160m range.
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Whaddya know, I didn't know that. That's dedication I suppose.
I can't help feeling TransferMkt is going along the flavour of the month(s) stats gathering. I'm sure Jared Bowen would have been their pick of top 5 at exactly this point last season. Personally if I want top class players I would like better metrics.
Tchoumani, Camavinga are much more valuable to me along with the likes of Pedri and even Alisson. But it's all about opinions I suppose (because I've already published Saka's unimpressive goals stats). And let's not bring xG or xGA into it as Darwin piddles all over Saka there this season.
This is a very good list, I'd agree with most of and saves me having to think.
Personally I'd bump Musiala up a place and Saka up 2 or 3 places as well.
Instead of Gavi I'd put Reece James in there. I'd probably bump Kvara for Camavinga too.
So:
1. Mbappe
2. Halaand
3. Vinicius
4. Musiala
5. Saka
6. Pedri
7. Osimhen
8. Reece James
9. Camavinga
10. Bellingham
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You're only as good as your last 5 games on the Caf
I have precisely zero interest in debating with a rabid Messi fanboy whose only purpose on this forum is to fellate him and drag him into every conversation. No thanks.
Saka clearly is. He's avery productive and super young plus English to boot.
I'm not sure if I'd include Pedri in Top 5 though.
Ok rabid (insert player name) fanboy whose only purpose is to fellate (insert player name) and drag him into every conversation.
I don't think they've seen Rashford play, recently.
We aren't selling him for £80M, no chance.
I know, I had to read it again to make sure it wasn't sarcasm.
Take a chill pill dude, you're coming across as a child.You're obsessed. Sort yourself out. Look at my posting history and tell me how I am a City fan. I literally told you yesterday I despise City. I loved Agüero back in his Atletico days, and the same for Falcao, van Nistelrooy and van Persie. I'm a sucker for these strikers. The clubs they've played for are irrelevant to me. You've really got some issues
Edit; Another favorite player of mine is Messi who single-handedly destroyed us in two CL finals. Am I a Barcelona fan now then?
Top 3 are easy and clear picks for me, past that the order gets fuzzy. Pedri for me is the most unique/exceptional young player with the highest potential. Musiala also ridiculous but hasn't dominated like Pedri yet.
Reece James' injuries and Camavinga's inconsistencies holding them back, but also definitely wouldn't bump Kvara out. It's only been half a season, but the guy just looks the best player on the pitch every time he steps on it. The Georgian Best is what they call him... Attackers will always just be more valuable than defensive players, though the gap isn't as big as it used to be.
Musiala's output is clearly behind Haaland and Mbappe at a similar age. I think the main point the previous poster was saying is he has the greater potential. Musiala reminds me a lot of Messi with his dribbling style. He is not particularly strong or well built, but he manages to just glide past defenders like they are not there, whilst maintaining his perfect balance. He just now needs to improve his decision making and output, and he has the potential to achieve similar things to Messi over his career. Messi and Ronaldo also didn't have great stats early in their career, and Mbappe and Haaland in particular are massively outperforming them in that respect. However, Haaland has a particular skillset, speed, strength, etc. that he capitalises on, but without good service, Haaland struggles to influence games. He is all about scoring goals, and he will get a lot of them, and I fully expect him to break lots of scoring records. Gareth Bale managed to elevate a Welsh team to a Euros semifinal, but I'm not sure if Haaland could do the same with Norway, event though they have Odergaard as well. In a set up where he gets five chance a game, he is going to make hay, and that is why he did well at Dortmund, against rubbish Bundesliga defences, and is doing well at a dominant city side. Talking about influencing games, Musiala can do that more than Mbappe or Haaland, but I think he would take a while to settle in the English due to the physical nature of the league. Number 10 isn't a priority for us right now, but I hope we are tracking this kid well...
He's played 200 minutes less than Haaland this season. It must be such a bummer for him to be the main man in an attacking trio with Neymar and Messi, in a league that will not be top 5 in Europe next season.
How do you rate Mbappe's 5 goals and staying on the pitch for a full 90 against lvl 6 amateurs in the French cup? Same level of statpadding as Leipzig in the KO-stages of the CL?
Burnley would be a midtable team in Ligue 1 btw.
Mbappe is a great national team player, he did nothing vs Bayern.
Didn't he play left wingback in his first two seasons?
Mbappe in the CL for PSG: 0,72 goals/90
Mbappe in the CL for PSG against top 5 league teams: 0,54 goals/90
Mbappe in Ligue 1 and Coupe de France for PSG: 1,0 goals/90
That might be pretty much the same to you, but it isn't for most.
Ligue 1 will be ranked outside top 5 Leagues in Europe next season. Both Eredivisie and the Portuguese league has a chance to surpass them.
The imbalance in strength and economy between PSG and the rest of Ligue 1 is probably the worst we have seen in a top 10 league in a long time if not ever.
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Mbappe / Haaland / Rashford / Osimen / Martinez??
Is there a better defender in the world right now than Martinez - If PSG wanted him he'd be over £100m for sure.
Bellingham is in there somewhere as well - I think the Prem is the cutting edge of football if you can make it there you can make it anywhere.
Is there a better defender in the world right now than Martinez - If PSG wanted him he'd be over £100m for sure.
Bellingham is in there somewhere as well - I think the Prem is the cutting edge of football if you can make it there you can make it anywhere.
Would be so interesting to know for which sum Bayern would sell Musiala. I don‘t think 200m would be enough
You compared 21 year old Bukayo Saka leading Arsenal to a PL title to Jarrod Bowen. You aren't getting any insight.
Almost....
Are basically saying Mbappes penaltygoals in the WC-final in the end was just as meaningless as Haalands 9 goals against Hunduras in the U20 WC?
And the guy who can score 9 in a match couldn't score 3, including 2 penalties, in a match if he played for the reigning world champions?
If Robocop equals Haaland that is.
Wait, you actually disagree with it? Please tell me how he wasn't important to how they played. I'd really like to know.
WTF have the likes of Martinelli, Odegard, Saliba, etc, got to do with Saka's 12 PL goals this season? So what if West Ham weren't challenging for the PL last season, it doesn't lessen Bowen's achievement - it enhances it. Seriously. If you want ridiculous, irrelevant, examples then Almiron has 11 PL goals. Almost similar to Saka. Newcastle were relegation favourites before his wonderful contribution.
Where's his fanfare?He’s priceless. You’d have to resort to violence to get him from us.
I don't know how transfermkt get their numbers but I'm not altogether convinced by them.
Even when you look at lower tier clubs, their biggest talents will be 20-30 million. It doesn't seem to take account of enough variables to form an accurate valuation. Some of it seems like fees from the mid 2000s.
Even when you look at lower tier clubs, their biggest talents will be 20-30 million. It doesn't seem to take account of enough variables to form an accurate valuation. Some of it seems like fees from the mid 2000s.
Tbf I'm fairly sure Reece James could play pretty much any position and be good at it. Built like a tank, excellent on the ball, shot like a bullet.. sometimes I think RB is a waste for him.
They aren't overrated.
They are just your normal world class players, people in their mind compare them to Messi and Ronaldo, and call them overrated cause they don't show the consistency that Messi and Ronaldo did.
Reality says other than Messi and Ronaldo, the world class players before them didn't show those levels of consistency either, 4-5 years at the top, then drop to the point that they aren't great anymore.
People are now calling Salah and VVD overrated cause they aren't anywhere the level they were 3 years ago, when in reality they are pretty much what top players looked like before Ronaldo and Messi. Which is why I can't wait for them to retire, so we can go back to proper normal standards.
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I think a world class player has a top level overall game, not just in moments.