Not even comparable, this Arsenal side is much worse than we've ever been.
Is Emery doing a worse job than our Ole?
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But you are just looking at minority poster's opinions. As i have already said.you just need to be more open in reading and you will find many have said Ole is not fit to manage this club and looks out of depth. You are acting as if everyone apart from you is defending ole.
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They are 6th we are 14th. He's not doing well but he's clearly better than Ole.
I was surprised they never went in for Maguire, they’re crying out for someone like that at CB.
Emery is not good enough for the ambition of Arsenal to achieve top four. Solskjaer is not good enough for the ambition of being a United manager period. Emery is a better more accomplished manager than Solskjaer, but the bottom line is they are both not good enough.
Yes.
So he's also better than Poch?
Not sure it really matters. Both are vastly underachieving and will be pushed out of their current roles soon. I just hope tonight was the last time Emery manages us.
United are yet to be outplayed by anyone this season - despite playing Leicester, Chelseax2 and Liverpool - it has happened frequently with Arsenal.
From the expectations POV - yes, he is. Many people thought Emery is a very good manager (even though there were obvious signs that he wasn't) while nobody with at least half a brain expected Ole doing any better. Terrible manager hired simply because the board thought fans will be happy giving him more time despite the results. And they were right, it worked.
His name can be added to a long list that fans would have been saying was a good choice for us (had he still been at sevilla) only to be hammering him 6 months after his appointment.
Emery has a top draw striker, and Ozil. Aubameyang and Ozil, rest of team seem only average.
Both managers have big name players they been struggling to man manage, and both managers struggle to keep their players motivated for every game all game. As soon we went in the lead Arsenal gave up, even only at 1-0. Before then it was back and forth.
I didn't watch our game against you guys so harder to make a comment based on our game against you, but I know for some reason we setup really negative against you guys.
I will say given Emery has had more time and more transfer windows, he has probably done the worse job, also the team he took over was in a better state.
Both managers have big name players they been struggling to man manage, and both managers struggle to keep their players motivated for every game all game. As soon we went in the lead Arsenal gave up, even only at 1-0. Before then it was back and forth.
I didn't watch our game against you guys so harder to make a comment based on our game against you, but I know for some reason we setup really negative against you guys.
I will say given Emery has had more time and more transfer windows, he has probably done the worse job, also the team he took over was in a better state.
I basically gave him a free season pass last year but think Arsenal look in a much worse state this year.
They've won two games since middle of August. Indeed their 4 wins have all been by one goal (against Newcastle, Villa, Burnley and Bournemouth who all could finish bottom half).
Still can barely keep a clean sheet away and their general away form remains dreadful.
There's very little structure in their play. Just get it up to their front two and hope either do something. When chances are limited like tonight they really don't have anyone else capable of scoring. I thought early on Ceballos looked like a decent Ramsey replacement but he seems to have fizzled out.
Their summer business was Luiz, Tierney, Ceballos, Pepe and a few young 'uns. Not the worst on paper but likes of Pepe and Luiz been poor, Gary Cahill would've been a better pick up for at the back.
Considering how bad Spurs and Man. United have been they should be a cert for top 4 so no chance Emery survives if they don't make it. At the moment I very much doubt he'll make it to May.
They've won two games since middle of August. Indeed their 4 wins have all been by one goal (against Newcastle, Villa, Burnley and Bournemouth who all could finish bottom half).
Still can barely keep a clean sheet away and their general away form remains dreadful.
There's very little structure in their play. Just get it up to their front two and hope either do something. When chances are limited like tonight they really don't have anyone else capable of scoring. I thought early on Ceballos looked like a decent Ramsey replacement but he seems to have fizzled out.
Their summer business was Luiz, Tierney, Ceballos, Pepe and a few young 'uns. Not the worst on paper but likes of Pepe and Luiz been poor, Gary Cahill would've been a better pick up for at the back.
Considering how bad Spurs and Man. United have been they should be a cert for top 4 so no chance Emery survives if they don't make it. At the moment I very much doubt he'll make it to May.
50 percent is alot
Yep. It's just semantics who is worse.
Are they on course to set a record for number of shots allowed for one of the traditional big 4 /6 team? Every game they seem to allow 15 odd shots. Bizarre. I dont remember Seville being terrible defensively?
A point tomorrow will leave us a point behind Arsenal. That in it self is a miracle, they have a lot of experience both in defense and attacking wise. Ole is clearly doing a better job than Emery.
Ole is much much worse
not even close
not even close
I wouldn't be boasting about one being better than the other, put it like that. We are nowhere close to where we should be - the fact people are saying we could be as high as seventh if we beat Brighton today says it all. Any other club of our size would be humiliated by that.
Overall on par
If he is not gone by Monday, then Arsenal is more pathetic than I thought. At least Ole speaks English and can formulate what he thinks. No one knows what emery thinks or says and even his players don’t get his tactics
They are struggling because of the same problem as us, lack of good creative central midfielders. Xhaka, Guendouzi, Torriera are all woeful. Plus the clowns in defence also don't help.
Unai Emery has achieved things of note in his career
I mean, don’t get me wrong, he’s a fecking useless manager, but way more competent than the bloke in charge at United
I mean, don’t get me wrong, he’s a fecking useless manager, but way more competent than the bloke in charge at United
Arsenal's defence is a shambles. Ole at least got that right this season.
Both are underperforming massively.
Both are underperforming massively.
Ole is using the Van Gaal tactic of being so conservative that a good defensive record is inevitable.
Here's the 'big chances created' in the PL:
1. City: 101
2: Chelsea: 81
3. Liverpool: 78
4. Bournemouth: 77
5. Arsenal: 72:
6: Man United: 65
But we're 14th on Goals Scored with 13 across 11 games, including the 4-0 against Chelsea and 3-1 against Norwich.
We aren't creating as many as we should without Pogba, but we're absolutely woeful at converting chances without Lukaku and Martial. That is expected when your playmaker is Lingard/Pereira, and when your only goalscoring threats are Rashford and James - 2 talented but inconsistent youngsters.
A RW, A CAM, and another striker - and I expect us to improve dramatically even under Ole.
Emery just needs 3-5 years and 5 transfer windows.
Yeah Arsenal fans arnt saying that are they.
If Emery gets 3 years and the money we spend I would bet Emery and so would 99 percent of others.
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Yeah Arsenal fans arnt saying that are they.
If Emery gets 3 years and the money we spend I would bet Emery and so would 99 percent of others.
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Tough to answer the question but it you gave me the option of swapping managers, I’d genuinely decline.
That's interesting, and better than what I expected. I think we would also be very well placed in least big chances conceded, although I cannot find that stat on the website.
True but he does have several Europa leagues to his name and his time with Sevilla far outranks anything Ole has done. Still he’s having a lot of trouble implementing his ideas at Arsenal, he should comfortably have built the in to a top 4 side.The lead he blew vs Barcelona with PSG suggests otherwise
I actually think it may be a similar issue to Roy managing Liverpool and Moyes/United with Emery. He's dragging Arsenal down to the level he's comfortable managing at.
I think it's no coincidence his best job was Sevilla, a club who were happy with Europa and an underdog mentality.
I think it’s safe to say neither are suited to the league they’re in, so doesn’t really matter which is doing better or worse.
I’d be as happy to see Ole stay at Utd as much as you lot want Emery to stay at Arsenal
I’d be as happy to see Ole stay at Utd as much as you lot want Emery to stay at Arsenal
The problem is Aubameyang and Lacazette want to play the same position so it’s very difficult to start both and get the right attacking balance. I think that’s their biggest issue. They need to buy a LW or change formation.
1 Point in it now
there's 1 pts difference between the teams, and you think that's wildly unrepresentative of the difference in squad quality? You might want to look at their defence, teams aren't defined by their attacking quality...That list you're quoting is the big chances created from last season, hence Huddersfield are at the bottom. United are 8th this year.
I've heard Arsenal fans call him the new Juande Ramos. And he has a serious problem managing egos in the locker room, I'd say an Everton or a Newcastle would be a more suitable project for him.
My bad. I missed that. Thanks for correcting.