Jose rightfully got slaughtered by our fans and continues to get slaughtered for the kind of subs and cowardice Ole shows.
Is Ole’s football really any better than José & LVG’s?
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We're basically Jose's 17/18 team, the only difference is we press higher but make more defensive mistakes. We were a pretty good counter attacking team then and we still are now. We had no clue how to control a game then and we still don't now. We conceded stupid late goals then and we still do now. We finished 2nd a mile behind city then and we probably will this season.
He's a young cowardly dinosaur.
Did we create any chances at all other than the goal ?
We missed two sitters.
Jeez. Nearly forgot the James one. Speak volume on how shite we play tonight
True probably not much worse than today but a lot lower ceiling
The team ended the game with 3 defensively minded central midfielders and 5 at the back. Jose was rightfully murdered for ultra conservative tactics like that.
And we still conceded
No its not. Cant believe he's going to get a new contract. Three more years of this.. And bringing Hallaand or Sancho wont change how we play.
Defensive subs rarely be better at defending. It just invites pressure.
I think it's something fans will have to become accustomed to. I have kept this opinion not long after Solskjaer was appointed from the caretaker position, the fact this team has no real identity will only take him so far. The club as a result undeniably has a ceiling (semi's / 60+ points) and it's not going to be pampered over with flavour of the month signings. Individuals form a squad but a winning team is consistent of cohesion that comes from the management / coaches.
I don't believe Ole should be sacked but if there's any expectations of attacking football, league win and dominance of the sort that this club should be achieving its not going to come as a result of the circumstances of who's in charge.
I don't believe Ole should be sacked but if there's any expectations of attacking football, league win and dominance of the sort that this club should be achieving its not going to come as a result of the circumstances of who's in charge.
Things have been up and down this season, the same can be said of all teams. We've seen some excellent periods of play under Ole and next season when back to a normal schedule there should be more consistency.
Some people have short memories. Van Gaal served up the most depressing, insulting football I've seen at Old Trafford in over 40 years of going to games. Mourinho quickly decided he was going to try and out do Van Gaal in the boredom stakes as well. Both utterly soulless and depressing eras.
Some people have short memories. Van Gaal served up the most depressing, insulting football I've seen at Old Trafford in over 40 years of going to games. Mourinho quickly decided he was going to try and out do Van Gaal in the boredom stakes as well. Both utterly soulless and depressing eras.
Fundamentally, it’s quite negative. Risk averse.
Think the difference is he had a younger matic Herrera pogba midfield
We have an old matic mctom Fred combo at the minute, the engine room of the team is not what it should be
If Ole's name was Baxter Coburn, and he had never played for us he wouldn't be getting the same level of forgiveness.. We would be moving on to the next manager.
It’s a bit better but any that idea Ole is an attacking manager who was going to bring in exciting football and look to dominate games has been well and truly put to bed. I still think it’s just Mourinho’s football rebranded and bit better to watch.
I think theres truth in that, but we signed him under Ole so we cant see how he would have done under LVG, Mourinho or Moyes
He's making the best use of the squad by wanting us to play out from the back when our team's biggest weakness is keeping the ball?
The team he won the EL had Herrera, Fellaini and Pogba in midfield. Fellaini is unplayable lot of times in Europe. I remember Juve scoring at own goal because of him. I known some people don't like him but he was always a good option off the bench.
To the OP, I wouldn’t say so. The club appears a happier and cheerier place with Ole at the helm, but if you’re looking at the cold hard product being churned out on the pitch, as others have said, we aren’t much different to Mourinho’s 2nd place finishing team. This is with the inclusion of a superb talent in Bruno in the current team.
Ruling with your head and not heart, can we honestly say watching this current United team that we will realistically win the league in the next couple of seasons? If the answer is no, well some serious questions need to be asked by the board.
Ruling with your head and not heart, can we honestly say watching this current United team that we will realistically win the league in the next couple of seasons? If the answer is no, well some serious questions need to be asked by the board.
It's better in the sense that there is noticeably more attacking freedom. The actuality quality isn't great.
Our record against the big teams with LvG was actually very good and if he had this squad he would probably have done far better than Ole
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The second paragraph is why Ole is such a clever appointment by Woodward. Just look at this forum - even some of the most die hard Ole inners must see the writing is on the wall. Expectations are lower, top four is fine and Ole won’t ever rock the boat.
Until City played a game more than us last night, we were the top scorers in the league. To compare that with the uber-negative shite we endured under LVG/Mou is fecking laughable.
Be nice if we could shut other teams out as well as they did but the entertainment value is streets ahead, obviously.
Be nice if we could shut other teams out as well as they did but the entertainment value is streets ahead, obviously.
His football is dreadful and negative.
What is this "rock the boat" business? And when has "rocking the boat" ever been a good thing for a manager?
This is arguably what stands out the most.
Yes
It's too slow, players are taking too many touches and it has become very predictable.
He’s about as stable and non controversial a manager as you could ever find. Glazers sleep easy knowing there’ll be minimum headlines aside from what’s happening on the pitch.
That stability is great if he’s a great coach but we’re still here 2 years on really wondering what’s changed tactically to Mou apart from a hit and miss press and Bruno.
City were top scorers before last nights game. This top scorers shit needs to stop. People were saying the same about our defense last year." We conceded the second least goals in the league how can our defense be bad." We barely create chances. The games against southampton and leeds are exceptions not the norm.
Pretty sure City have been the top scorers in the league for at least 2 weeks now and not just after their last game, thanks to our two 0-0 draws against Chelsea and Palace.
Beside we scored 15 goals of our 54 in 2 matches. That leaves us with 39 goals in the other 26 matches we played.
He's saying Ole would never rock the boat.
Sometimes you have to take a closer look. After 28 games this season we have 55 goals.
After 28 games in 2017/2018 we had 53 goals. (More from open play in 2017/2018)
Our scoring rate is pretty much the same. We’re second highest scorers in the league now and at that point in 2017/2018 we were 5th highest scorers.
What makes it seem like we’ve scored more goals is purely down to the likes of Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool being even less potent.
It’s obviously better than it was under LVG but as many have pointed out using the actual stats were just as we were under Mourinho in his final full season. The similarities are quite something.
Like for instance. Beating one of our biggest rivals 2-1 and then following it up with a pathetic performance in a knockout European tie.
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When on form we’ve played our best football under Ole but it’s never on a consistent basis, and apart from the City game we’ve looked pretty fecking dire for a while now.
I used to literally fall asleep when the LvG side played. Jose was probably equally boring when the team's form is as shit as it is now. We also generally press a lot higher under Ole than we did under Mourinho and try to at least hit teams in transitions, so yeah I do think it's more interesting than LvG / Jose.
The downside is that form is very streaky under Ole - we have 5-10 games where we just turn to absolute dogshit and then other streaks of games where we play really really well and keeps alternating like that. Part of it is injuries - we really need Rashford + Pogba for that extra threat, but part of it is just Ole doesn't really seem to have as coherent an attacking plan as other managers do when we get to the final 3rd. Just relies on players working their magic.
The downside is that form is very streaky under Ole - we have 5-10 games where we just turn to absolute dogshit and then other streaks of games where we play really really well and keeps alternating like that. Part of it is injuries - we really need Rashford + Pogba for that extra threat, but part of it is just Ole doesn't really seem to have as coherent an attacking plan as other managers do when we get to the final 3rd. Just relies on players working their magic.
There's no doubt in my mind that we're better and that overall there seems to be real progress. Each season is better than the previous one in terms of goals and points. I just wonder sometimes if Ole has what it takes to get us where we want to be. Only time will tell. The club is backing him and I hope he gets support in the summer to make a real push for trophies.
Sort of like Ole would never do a Mourinho - ie, calling out the club's hierarchy when he didn't get his transfer targets
Yer but we are talking about style of play, with those players people said his style was terrible
Ole has worse players and is playing better football, slightly