As I told you earlier. There is nothing you post on this topic that I will take seriously after you blatantly implied tactics are the only reason Croatia kicked England out in Russia
Is Southgate underrated by the CAF?
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I didn't say they were the only reason, I said Southgate made a mistake with them.
Also, you realise I can just go "I can't take you seriously when you present an objectively flawed Italy side as some sort of invincible footballing behemoth"
Agree with this.
You should probably google Middlesbrough prior to him where they were in Europe.
Moyes was way more qualified when he took over, and look how that went.
Watched the Overlap episode where the panel (Neville, Keane, Wright, Scott) all gave thier opinions on the (frightening) rumours of Southgate and United.
Basically thier praise for Gareth-of-the-Ingurlands boiled down to appearance.
He 'looks the part' was the general opinion. Nothing about his ability as a manager. His tactical acumen, his (negative ) footballing philosophy. Nope, just looks.(Wright seemed to be impressed with Southgate's beard).
It was all Abit embarrassing.
Basically thier praise for Gareth-of-the-Ingurlands boiled down to appearance.
He 'looks the part' was the general opinion. Nothing about his ability as a manager. His tactical acumen, his (negative ) footballing philosophy. Nope, just looks.(Wright seemed to be impressed with Southgate's beard).
It was all Abit embarrassing.
It's quite telling that whenever you have a conversation about Southgate it always boils down to "well he looks good in a waistcoat".
It was a fecking ridiculous conversation. It’s a ludicrous suggestion and they were all discussing it like it makes perfect fecking sense. Felt like I was in the twilight zone.
It's one of the few downsides about podcasts/punditry when it involves ex-players and managers. Barely any of them are willing to call out one of their pals.
Yeah I mentioned this in the Overlap thread, Ince basically says he looks better than Ten Hag and his "massive turtlenecks". It was frankly bizarre.
No analysis whatsoever of his qualities as manager, or tactical acumen. Just sartorial vibes.
This is it.
Hahaha
If we hire this chancer I'll give up watching us until he's gone. Which won't be long.
Hire Allegri. He can really rock a suit and "looks like a big club manager" was one of the criteria Milan used to hire him back in the day, I shit you not 
Lucky for them he was actually good at the job
Lucky for them he was actually good at the job
I quite like EtH's turtlenecks...I'd take those over Southgate's waistcoats anyday of the week.
I agree. Not only are they stupid, they also have no fashion sense.
I'm being mean, I actually really like Wrighty on there, but the whole Southgate thing was a bit ludicrous.
If look is what it takes, Beckham would have won the job a long time ago.
I don't think the England sides he got to the semi-final and final were anywhere near as talented as people make out, but this team he has now should absolutely be looking at winning a tournament.
We have no defence, which will severely hamper our chances of winning anything. Our (starting) midfield is quality with Mainoo now added, back up options less so. Forward options, however, are really good.
Southgate is very good at bringing a group together all pulling in the right direction. He has made international football enjoyable for the players and they seemingly enjoy being away representing england. This can’t be underestimated. Fair play to him
Southgate is very bad on the tactical side, team selection and in game management. This is inexcusable for the talent he has at his disposal
Southgate is very bad on the tactical side, team selection and in game management. This is inexcusable for the talent he has at his disposal
You're definitely underrating us on paper here. The only position we're somewhat lackluster in is in goal. And Pickford is a good enough international goalkeeper.
With everyone fit, you're looking at a back 4 including Walker/TAA, Stones, and Shaw. That's near enough world class quality in 3 of the 4 positions. Then, there's ample selection for a high quality center back to go along side them.
Our 'backup' midfield would also walk into most international starting XIs. Madison, Gallagher and Palmer are all top players on good form. We're only lacking a little depth at CDM, but for an international side, we're pretty spoiled for choice.
No need to cover out forward options, they're probably the best in the world.
Anything less than a Championship this summer should be regarded as a failure and should end any Southgate to Man Utd speculation
Do you think that's down to Southgate? The footballing landscape has changed a lot this past decades - even sworn enemy clubs have players high-fiving and extremely pally pally with one another before, during and after major games, which was something unheard of during Fergie's era.
The bother previous England managers had to sort out in camp had a great deal to do with the deep-seated rivalries a lot of the players brought over from club football with them. With that mostly fading from the game, the camaraderie element of 'all being in this together' can flourish far easier than if the players are seeing half the camp as their sworn enemies whom they'll resume 'war' with the moment the international commitments are out of the way.
Southgate succeeded Allardyce, who is well know for quashing issues himself, so would he have done a worse job of unifying the players in a much softer environment than that which previous England managers had to put up with a decade plus ago?
Under-rated , no. But the level of shit he gets is way over the top. Deserves a crack at this tournament (just) which will define his time as England boss.
He’s underrated by us because he’s rubbish. What has he achieved in club football to get a chance at managing England? Didn’t he relegate Middlesbrough?
He’s had a crack at a few tournaments and messed them up when we had the best and easiest chance to win them.
Your opinion.
We were in a huge hole pre Southgate. A mixture of him restoring a feel good factor prior to a big influx of superb talent now has us expecting to win / make the final in this one. New expectations, probably a step to far for him but let's see.
Spot on. It should. But people should stop acting like its a given. Its one of 3 or 4 of possible out right winners. Not an "it must win or the boss must be shit" type assembly.
England have had an easy chance once and harry Kane chose to blaze his penalty over the bar.
Also the route we took when Croatia knocked us out. easiest route.
Facing Italy in 2021 was far easier than facing that Argentina side in 2022 would have been.
France would have smashed us in that final. And that was a very good Croatian side.
This is the main point. You could debate his England achievements till the cows come home, but even if I was being extremely generous, it still wouldn't be enough to deserve the United job. He could win the Euros this summer, and I still wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.
The guy hasn't managed a club side in a decade and a half, where his last achievement was being fired after a relegation. He's simply not fit for purpose.
The Argentina side who were pushed by a second string France to penalties and should have list before spot kicks. The same France whose captain Lloris stated a day go that the French thanked the heavens when Kane missed the penalty because they were physically spent and certain England was set to embarass them extra time.You seem to have this bizarre idea that that Italy 2021 side were some kind of world beating team. We all have our opinions I guess.
Croatia were 4 times better than your lot even after playing extra time. How you can think facing them was "easy" is beyond belief....
Rather I'm of the opinion that they were comfortably the best performing team through out Euro 2020 strictly and deservedly won it. You are the one with the belief England are this world beating team hindered by a Ted Lasso since as far back as 2018.
Didn’t say would be easy but it was the easiest route. That’s the main point. Think in the other halve you had teams like Spain etc.
I feel like the recent positivity and rumours are part of the usual boom / bust cycle with england in football tournaments. Short of winning it people will be slaughtering him and calling him a knob in a couple of months time. People will say he's lucky to get a job at Crystal Palace when its done.
Thats my hope anyway because hes not very good.
Thats my hope anyway because hes not very good.
He's only bad at in game management. Tactically he's ok and his team selection - both in terms of call ups and starting lineups, have generally been fine. Off the top of my head I can't remember England starting a game with serious tactical/lineup issues that needed to be fixed. In fact, more often than not his initial game plans have been spot on
Think he's set to make the squad for the Euros at this point, so hardly shut out. The other 2 are kids in their first full PL season...