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Is that why I have a penchant for RW female nutters? TiL7/10 with professional make up and studio photo shoot. Probably a 5/10 in real life. Your just being swayed by the power she holds. You want a bit of that apartheid pie.
Is that why I have a penchant for RW female nutters? TiL7/10 with professional make up and studio photo shoot. Probably a 5/10 in real life. Your just being swayed by the power she holds. You want a bit of that apartheid pie.
I do too.Is that why I have a penchant for RW female nutters? TiL
Dammit, why are the evil ones always good looking
She's of Iraqi descent.Dammit, why are the evil ones always good looking
She's of Iraqi descent.
Must use that on the missus laterI'll mesopotamia all over that face
Another schism incoming between Catholics and the church of the East. Don't blame me brother.Must use that on the missus later
Worth a shot at breaking the ‘aul Euphrates dam though.Another schism incoming between Catholics and the church of the East. Don't blame me brother.
I can see someone making a parody of her in the porn industry. They did it ever so well with Sarah Palin.Is that why I have a penchant for RW female nutters? TiL
Imagine not bothering to learn about a country and it's history you resort to simplistic epithets instead. It's so ignorant.Imagine your only retort to your country being a racist occupying apartheid state is a random image off the net from nearly 100 years ago. Pathetic and a little sad.
Spoiler alert: It won't work.Must use that on the missus later
I think when one hasbara troll logs off another one logs on.Think we have another live one here
I’m going to assume Paul O’Brien is not Jewish? If that’s the case it seems a bit arrogant of him to pontificate to American Jews on the nature of “core Jewish values” (whatever they may be) and dismiss the reality of their feelings for Israel because it may complicate his desired approach to initiating change:Israel ‘shouldn’t exist as a Jewish state,’ Amnesty USA director tells Democratic group
https://jewishinsider.com/2022/03/i...-amnesty-usa-director-tells-democratic-group/
I disagree with Paul O'Brien. But I respect his honesty.
Theres a reason you don’t debate zionist trolls, they take you down to their level and then plaster the thread with youtube videos or articles of something completely irrelevant. As we have seen shitebag/fearful do many times.I think when one hasbara troll logs off another one logs on.
I think the Israel that American Jews are attached to is one idealised democratic country that doesn’t exist outside of their imagination.I’m going to assume Paul O’Brien is not Jewish? If that’s the case it seems a bit arrogant of him to pontificate to American Jews on the nature of “core Jewish values” (whatever they may be) and dismiss the reality of their feelings for Israel because it may complicate his desired approach to initiating change:
The Amnesty official rejected a 2020 survey conducted by the Ruderman Family Foundation that found that eight in 10 Jewish Americans identify as “pro-Israel,” and two-thirds feel emotionally “attached” or “very attached” to the Jewish state.“I actually don’t believe that to be true,” O’Brien said regarding those figures……“I think they can be convinced over time that the key to sustainability is to adhere to what I see as core Jewish values, which are to be principled and fair and just in creating that space.”
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I think the way the American Jews might look at Israel and the Palestinians a bit like Europe are looking at Ukrainian refugees as opposed to refugees from Africa or the Middle East.I think the Israel that American Jews are attached to is one idealised democratic country that doesn’t exist outside of their imagination.
The real Israel actually despise them and their lifestyle. While liberal Jews in America might rightfully think “we are adding people to the Jewish family by marriage” the ruling regime of Israel sees them as “killing the Jews” by doing so.
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The famously homophobic and racist minister Peretz actually said “it was worse than the Holocaust”
Uzbek refugees or Ukranian?I think the way the American Jews might look at Israel and the Palestinians a bit like Europe are looking at Uzbeki refugees as opposed to refugees from Africa or the Middle East.
The Uzbeki refugees inspire pity, the African/ME refugees inspire distain. The Israelis "fighting for their land" inspire pity, the Palestinians inspire distain.
With every group, people decide their dividing line and dig in. With SO much information coming out from all sides, more information than would be possible to process, are brains just triage the info and just absorbs the information that supports its position.
Ukrainian, I had Uzbekistan on my mind cos of something else. I'll go back and edit to stop confusion. Thanks!Uzbek refugees or Ukranian?
Found a summary of the poll cited in the article -https://rudermanfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/2020.01.30-ENGLISH-US-Jewry-Survey.pdfI think the Israel that American Jews are attached to is one idealised democratic country that doesn’t exist outside of their imagination.
That really doesn’t reflect my own experiences of Israelis, quite the opposite in fact. However that would be anecdotal. According to this poll from last year, 74% of Israeli Jews believe the diaspora and Israel to be of equal importance to the Jewish people (#8), 75% believe a “thriving diaspora” to be vital or somewhat vital to the long-term future of the Jewish people (#9), and of the 6% who responded “not very vital” or “not vital at all” to the above, just 17% cited concerns over assimilation as the most important reason (#9b).The real Israel actually despise them and their lifestyle.
That’s why I said “the ruling regime of Israel”.That really doesn’t reflect my own experiences of Israelis, quite the opposite in fact. However that would be anecdotal.
Well you also wrote “the real Israel”, which is what I responded to. As a concept it’s obviously open to interpretation (I’d argue it doesn’t exist), but if “the real Israel” equals “the ruling regime of Israel” or “the establishment” for you then fair enough. Although I’d still wonder what exactly you mean by these terms? E.g. the current government is a bizarrely diverse coalition representing a broad swathe of Israeli society with many conflicting interests and approaches to most of the big questions which define politics in Israel, and includes parties determined to undermine the continuing hold of religious authorities, including the rabbinate, over aspects of civil law.That’s why I said “the ruling regime of Israel”.
I'll mesopotamia all over that face
Yes the ”real Israel” was just to stress the opposition to the ”fantasy Israel”, the democracy bacon that I often hear about in the West. But it wasn’t directed at the people, but rather at the ruling regime.Well you also wrote “the real Israel”, which is what I responded to. As a concept it’s obviously open to interpretation (I’d argue it doesn’t exist), but if “the real Israel” equals “the ruling regime of Israel” or “the establishment” for you then fair enough. Although I’d still wonder what exactly you mean by these terms? E.g. the current government is a bizarrely diverse coalition representing a broad swathe of Israeli society with many conflicting interests and approaches to most of the big questions which define politics in Israel, and includes parties determined to undermine the continuing hold of religious authorities, including the rabbinate, over aspects of civil law.
Ok, that’s a decent if somewhat skewed attempt at a definition. But far too broadly drawn to support the claim that, collectively, these institutions “despise” American Jews and their lifestyle.The regime is the combination of all entities holding power, including the army, the government, the segregation agencies, the indoctrination apparatus, the propaganda branch, the religious zealots…
I agree it’s not really relevant in terms of the Palestinian question. On the question of Jewish identity in Israel and related matters of family law, conversion, etc. I’d say it’s relatively reflective of the wide range of views and debate on these issues in Israeli society. In fact I’d say these issues have more potential to aggravate cleavages among Israeli Jews in the future than the Palestinian question.As to how diverse the current government is, I actually don’t find it that relevant.
“Israel, which has committed the most heinous crimes in our modern history…”
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Usually what happens in apartheid or terrorist states. Israel is both obviously.Killing kids in refugee camps now.
She's done her own parody just to get The Corinthian's rocks off. Literally.I can see someone making a parody of her in the porn industry. They did it ever so well with Sarah Palin.
What the hell?She's done her own parody just to get The Corinthian's rocks off. Literally.
No clue what that was, but the scenery was nice.She's done her own parody just to get The Corinthian's rocks off. Literally.
Murdering bastards strike again
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