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The Americans trapped in gaza? My bad if they are.CNN has been covering them every night.
It means we’re the good guys, duh."Self Defence Strike"
Whatever that actually means
Because it's been part of the Israeli policy.I have probably a dumb question but was hoping someone might have a sensible answer for me.
Why doesnt the Israeli Govt stop the settlers taking Palestinian land?
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Israel has about 15M population, with around half of them being Palestinians. Out of that, only about 1.7M have Israeli citizenship, and can vote. The rest around 5.5M who live in Gaza/West Bank cannot.Government members are still democratically elected and, as others more knowledgeable than me mentioned, the Arab Israelis can be part of the Parliament.
As PM? I'm not aware of any countries where that is the case. The most famous PM in Norwegian history, Einar Gerhardsen (the "father of the nation"), sat for a total of 16 years.It’s a democracy in a very loose sense of the word. Netanyuhu has been PM since 2009 barring 1.5 years. That wouldn’t happen in any real Western democracy where you’re allowed at most 2 terms. The other thing is - he’s still has charges of corruption, bribery and a few things against him (before he came PM this recent time). He wouldn’t be allowed to stand in any real Western democracy.
Huh? Israel's population is about 9,5 million.Israel has about 15M population, with around half of them being Palestinians. Out of that, only about 1.7M have Israeli citizenship, and can vote. The rest around 5.5M who live in Gaza/West Bank cannot.
Although Palestinians living in Israel can vote, there has been a long history of political suppression of Palestinian voices and parties, and also discriminatory laws and systemic oppression, which ensure that Palestinians dont have the same rights. In reality, they have very little to no influence on policy.
Palestinians living under occupation in the the West Bank and Gaza cant even participate in elections.
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/not-vibrant-democracy-apartheid
I think he's counting WB and Gaza?Huh? Israel's population is about 9,5 million.
You know what I was being too diplomatic actually, I don't just doubt it but I'm completely against such a nonsensical notion as the insinuation and equivocation of Palestinian resistance actions with the war crimes and crimes against humanity of the Zionist apartheid state of Israel. If you can't clear the far easier bar of not accusing an occupied and besieged people with wanting to invade their own land, indeed there isn't much to talk about and I wouldn't be interested anyway, jog on.To be completely frank here, I literally couldn't care less what you doubt. If you can't do a quick google and find search out about Hamas, their charter and their mission... then I've no interest to spoon feed it to you.
Not supporting Hamas is a very easy bar to clear. If you can't do that, there's not much to talk about.
Israel has no interest to negotiate the release of the hostages, it sees the situation as an opportunity to deliver the final solution of the Palestinian problem.I might have missed this, but why are Hamas not releasing the hostages? Surely that's the first step towards stopping this assault?
I meant Israel as a whole including Gaza and the West Bank.Huh? Israel's population is about 9,5 million.
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Long story short, Israel considers the land won in the 1967 war as their land. That includes West Bank and Gaza. They don't want to incorporate 3m Arabs in their state with full citizen rights, as that would alter the demographics of the state significantly. So not only do they not stop the settlers, they aid and abet them. They are banking on the Palestinian Arabs eventually becoming refugees in some neighbouring Arab country while Jews fully take over the land.I have probably a dumb question but was hoping someone might have a sensible answer for me.
Why doesnt the Israeli Govt stop the settlers taking Palestinian land?
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While the first settlers were religious nutcases who went them on their own, for the last 30 years or so, settling West Bank has been a plan of Israeli various governments. Ariel Sharon was probably the main architect of that, and Bibi followed with even more intensity.I have probably a dumb question but was hoping someone might have a sensible answer for me.
Why doesnt the Israeli Govt stop the settlers taking Palestinian land?
That's partially correct. They do not consider Gaza as their own land, it is why they unilaterally withdrew from Gaza. However, they consider it a security concern (to a large degree Egypt does the same), which is why both them and Egypt have put a total blockade in Gaza (probably even worse when it comes to Egypt considering that maybe half of Gazans are Egyptians).Long story short, Israel considers the land won in the 1967 war as their land. That includes West Bank and Gaza. They don't want to incorporate 3m Arabs in their state with full citizen rights, as that would alter the demographics of the state significantly. So not only do they not stop the settlers, they aid and abet them. They are banking on the Palestinian Arabs eventually becoming refugees in some neighbouring Arab country while Jews fully take over the land.
I'm confident a lot of the social media discourse is part a well curated online attack to create division. It's got a lot of similarities to 2016 and is successfully turning the head of large portions of poc and newly eligible young voters that live online away from the "social progressive" democratic partyI think a lot of the Americans there are dual citizens and are viewed more as Israelis in this particular context.
US has abandoned private citizens in war torn countries in the past. I think Syria few years back and Sudan this year. Only the diplomats and families are rescued. Many were rescued by countries like India who were evacuating their nationals.Obviously hyperbolic to an extent..but is he entirely wrong on this?
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Or they are viewed as Jews more then Americans.I think a lot of the Americans there are dual citizens and are viewed more as Israelis in this particular context.
You may have noticed very few people seem to care that much about the hostages. Including those who cast themselves as defenders of the innocent.I might have missed this, but why are Hamas not releasing the hostages? Surely that's the first step towards stopping this assault?
Its obvious they would be Jews given they are Israeli and American. The tweet is also particularly non-sensical given that the US has already gotten Americans out of Gaza by using Qatar as an intermediary.Or they are viewed as Jews more then Americans.
Can you back this up? You make a lot of sweeping comments on this thread, with a not so subtle swipe at various posters you won't name without much actual evidence?You may have noticed very few people seem to care that much about the hostages. Including those who cast themselves as defenders of the innocent.
And yes, if Hamas offered to release all of them, I think that may provide enough of a lever for the US and others to pressure Israel into a ceasefire. So once again, Hamas is choosing the death of its own people rather than give way on its nefarious goals of power and glory.
I think we are far beyond the point of Hamas calling the shots on a ceasefire.You may have noticed very few people seem to care that much about the hostages. Including those who cast themselves as defenders of the innocent.
And yes, if Hamas offered to release all of them, I think that may provide enough of a lever for the US and others to pressure Israel into a ceasefire. So once again, Hamas is choosing the death of its own people rather than give way on its nefarious goals of power and glory.
Back what up?Can you back this up? You make a lot of sweeping comments on this thread, with a not so subtle swipe at various posters you won't name without much actual evidence?
There's also no way that Israel goes from its current rhetoric to agreeing to a ceasefire, with the release of hostages. There is going to be blood, a lot of it.
Directly yes, but via Qatari intermediaries I'd say they still have some leverage, especially in regards to the hostage situation.I think we are far beyond the point of Hamas calling the shots on a ceasefire.
I'm sure the Qataris can help as intermediaries, but a ceasefire would only bring back Israeli hostages, not address the 7 Oct attack and subsequent policy of removing Hamas entirely to prevent similar future attacks.Directly yes, but via Qatari intermediaries I'd say they still have some leverage, especially in regards to the hostage situation.
For what it's worth Al Jazeera are currently claiming that Qatari mediated negotiations for a ceasefire in return for release of hostages is at an "advanced stage". I guess that's at least something. God knows how accurate it is though. @Raoul's point that the release of hostages would not represent recompense for the atrocities of October 7th is certainly a strong one.I might have missed this, but why are Hamas not releasing the hostages? Surely that's the first step towards stopping this assault?
A ceasefire doesn't mean that Israel won't still come for Hamas. But it may need to use different means. Or the same means, just later on.For what it's worth Al Jazeera are currently claiming that Qatari mediated negotiations for a ceasefire in return for release of hostages is at an "advanced stage". I guess that's at least something. God knows how accurate it is though. @Raoul's point that the release of hostages would not represent recompense for the atrocities of October 7th is certainly a strong one.
