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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
It's an extremely weak declaration. It basically means nothing at all. Some parties were pushing a clear recognition, but the big parties wouldn't go for it.
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The Palestinians in the West Bank are subjected to military law, judged by military courts and can be detained without time limit or formal charge.
There are currently about 1,200 Palestinians in Israeli prisons without charge, among them 33 women and 160 children, some as young as 12 years old.
People just have no idea how wicked the occupation is.
Can someone point me in the direction of a video or a few videos with respectable Israeli viewpoints please?
I'm seeing a lot of good points made for pro Palestine but maybe it's because I'm inclined that way myself... But I want to know the other side of the story.
Even in that silly debate yesterday on Piers Morgan, the Muslim guy had a bunch of points that made sense whereas the stuff the Rabi was saying made zero sense. I fact checked afterwards and a lot of stuff he was saying were straight up lies.
I'm not looking for governmental bullshit or idiots like Rabi Schmauley. Hoping to find someone who can argue for things such as the settlements in West Bank or Israel not being an Apartheid state, ideally using facts and sources that can be checked.
Genuinely curious as to what the other side are seeing.
I'm seeing a lot of good points made for pro Palestine but maybe it's because I'm inclined that way myself... But I want to know the other side of the story.
Even in that silly debate yesterday on Piers Morgan, the Muslim guy had a bunch of points that made sense whereas the stuff the Rabi was saying made zero sense. I fact checked afterwards and a lot of stuff he was saying were straight up lies.
I'm not looking for governmental bullshit or idiots like Rabi Schmauley. Hoping to find someone who can argue for things such as the settlements in West Bank or Israel not being an Apartheid state, ideally using facts and sources that can be checked.
Genuinely curious as to what the other side are seeing.
You have Yuval with Sam Harris a few post above.
Norman Finkelstein?
Or Ezra Klein podcast here:
https://the-ezra-klein-show.simplecast.com/episodes/yossi-klein-halevi
https://the-ezra-klein-show.simplecast.com/episodes/yossi-klein-halevi
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Thank you, I'll check these two then.
Just a small note mate. For sure you will find out that Filkenstein will not give you an Israeli perspective. Its like asking Souness to give you Pogbas perspective.
He’s the Jewish son of concentration camp survivors and a political scientist with a focus on Israel - Palestine. He’s definitely a voice @Dirty Schwein should listen to, (and a few others).
I'll add it to the playlist in that case. Happy to listen to as much as I can.
No, he gives the point of view of a jewish professor, whose parents survived the Warsaw Ghetto, Auschwitz and Majdanek, who specialized and dedicated 40 years of his life to the Israel-Palestine conflict and the Holocaust.
I'd take his opinion over yours and your shoddy comparison any day of the week. Or Ezra Klein's, whom I respect greatly, no matter how well intentioned he is.
@Dirty Schwein Avi Shlaim's " The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World" is also well worth the read.
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Thank you for the recommendation.
He asked for Israeli point of view. If he is jewish is irrelevant.
You very well know that he is strongly anti Israel.
frankly speaking, what you just did, it is so despicable. Unbelievable.
I’ll add to this -
https://oneworld-publications.com/work/the-biggest-prison-on-earth/ by Ilan Pappe.
Him being Jewish is relevant, him being the son of concentration camp survivors is relevant, him being a political scientist focusing on this conflict for the majority of his life is relevant.
What did I do?
Fascinating to watch this toxic corner of the Caf gradually descend into overt blood libel anti-semitism.
The fact of the story is that an Israeli forensic institute was doing this to both Israeli and Palestinian bodies as well as foreign workers without family consent in the 1990s until they got discovered and then made to stop. The original report that Palestinians were being targeted and killed to harvest their organs is not true.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs
No need to argue guys, I'll listen to all the recommendations here, it's no problem.
Lord knows how many years I've spent on here arguing with some who claimed this wasn't an Apartheid regime
I'm not shocked very easily but I had to cool off after that.
I can’t recommend any videos. But I’d say a decent attempt at articulating the Israeli narrative would be a book called Right to Exist: A Moral Defence of Israel’s Wars by Yaacov Lozowick. He’s a historian of Nazi Germany and former chief archivist at Yad Vashem and the Israeli state archives. The book was written in the mid-2000s and reflects that particular era in many ways. Lozowick was in the peace camp until the outbreak of the Second Intifada, and the disillusionment he expresses in regards to the peace process is very typical of the shift experienced by many Israelis in those years. However I believe in recent years he discovered some classified documents in the archives that have made him reappraise his rightward turn, and he has another book coming in the future which will hopefully reflect this research.
Thank you. Not much of a book reader but will look for an audiobook on it, which I'm sure will exist.
A civilian in the USA.
A command center of a terrorist organization.
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Nissim Vaturi, deputy speaker of the Knesset and a member of the ruling Likud party, said Israel is being “too humane” in a post on social media on Friday, adding:
"Burn Gaza now no less! Don’t allow fuel in, don’t allow water in until the hostages are returned back!"
"Burn Gaza now no less! Don’t allow fuel in, don’t allow water in until the hostages are returned back!"
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Do you truly believe that criticism of Israel is equivalent to anti semitism?
Dude, I read a thread once where he said you could eat diamonds to lose weight. He’s best on ignore or at worst scrolling past.
Is the wild car of forever victimization for a few. Netanyahu could rape your mum in front of you, and if you dare to say/do something, these few will call you anti semite
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I don't know if it is true, but they maybe were looking for Hamas tunnels with that patern. Also below fishing boats
Nah, pretty obvs what they were trying to do. Just so petty.