The beheading thing wasn't true.
Might be getting the stories confused but isn’t this potentially Hamas fecking up?
Lowkey was one of those individuals who ridiculed the prospect that 100k Russian troops being put on the border meant an invasion was happening. It was all western propaganda apparently. Then he instantly changed tune after the invasion saying things like the west was weaponising Zelensky's Jewish heritage right as Putin was saying it was a denazification mission. He suddenly went from saying Russia would not be baited by the west to acting like Russia has no choice because of NATO. He blamed the UK winter fuel rises on support for Ukraine. He has turned a blind eye to all the Russian war crimes for a year and a half and in some instances questioned they even happened. He jumps on the back of Zelensky far more crudely than ever with Putin. He now (rightly) criticises Israel for doing the things Russia was doing for the last year and a half. White phosphorus gas was used in Ukraine. Bombing cities to rubble. Kidnapping children, babies, soldiers raping women and destroying crucial infrastructure.
Talking with Israeli soldiers over a decade ago, the feeling was while they didn’t really rate Hamas as fighters, Hizballah were a very different proposition and very much respected in those terms. Since then Hizballah have come out mostly victorious in a grueling war in Syria, while the IDF has spent most of its time providing cover for settler attacks in the West Bank. And we’ve all seen how unprepared this current clown government in Jerusalem has them.
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Exactly! Idk why some are treating their words as gospel. When you deliberately target and snipe a journalist, wearing a bulletproof vest with press written on it and a helmet, right on the neck and then blame it on the Palestinians; amongst a lot of other things; its hard to give their words any creedence.
Obviously self hating anti-semites.
I didn’t claim it was a peace festival. My point was that being an avid gig and festival goer the idea that this could happen to the type of people that tend to attend those events is unimaginable.
To me any music festival, having attended many Glastonbury years is about peace. The overwhelming vibe is peace.
You don't think that Isreal can protect it's citizens from hamas without killing civilians?
Hezbollah have more capabilities than any other military in the middle east, including some that Israel don't have. I'm not sure they have the ability to defeat Israel, but they have the ability to make Israel fight an exceedingly brutal war. There are currently a lot of experienced people who won't go back to Israel and fight because they don't agree with the government, and because they don't agree with this offensive. If it becomes truly existential to the state, you'll see many many more join up, as well as units like the Georgian Legion etc coming to fight, and they will dial up the brutality to whatever is needed.
I thought we were discussing the origin of the Hamas attacks, whether Iran sponsored them directly and are directing them, and the likelyhood of a planned escalation in a multi-pronged attack by Hezbollah entering the conflict. US intelligence itself believes that Iran are surprised by the attack, and there would be no military justification for holding back Hezbollah. You'd need to have a reason why Hezbollah waiting to attack [for Israels troops to be committed in Gaza] would be rational.
you may want to read up on what israeli settlers have been doing to palestinian people in the west bank. Someone a few days ago linked the article where some israeli settlers firebombed a palestiniani house, a young family with a baby were burnt to death. The israeli settlers were chanting about the baby being barbequed to death with joy.
I think more isn't made up about the propoganda element. Not just here but generally. Sure I understand that history is written by the victors but there is enough information out there to make a more informed choice/decision.
No. Or rather, I don't feel Israel or its citizens feel they can protect their citizens without this aggressive campaign. I also think there's a revenge aspect there, as well as poorly thought through targeting and strategy. To be clear I don't agree with the scope. But I don't think you could do it without any civilian casualties.
Needs the Curb music, or Benny Hill.
This is just nonsense.
I've attended music festivals a number of times too and I can't say I associate them with "peace" in any way.
I have a related/unrelated question. Was the Bahrain referendum seem as fair, or 'decided' by the British imperialists? Would modern day Iran have a valid claim?
I think peace may be a bit overstated, but they were ostensibly outdoor clubbers/festival goers there to peacefully have a good time.
100%. you've posted some brilliant, level-headed posts in this thread. thanks for that.
theres a possibility Hezbollah are just biding their time. Israel military resources will be stretched by ground invasion of gaza and the need to keep control of the west bank. More troops required at the latter to keep a lid on israeli settlers concerns about saftey and security
This isn't Call of Duty I'm afraid. Gaza is too hostile and densely populated, those kind of units still need to be able to develop targets and there is no way in a place like that. There is no way of clearing Hamas out without significant casualties.
On a slight tangent, what happened or do you think will happen now to the plans by netanyahu for the planned judicial reforms that caused so many protests in israel?
I'm in no way justifying the attack on a music festival. Or any attack for that matter.
They are already shelved; essentially dead in the water. Don't think they'll ever happen.
Ok if its too densly populated to do that. Then just take out the leadership of hamas abroad. When one gets replaced take out the next one and the one after that. Scare the crap out of anyone who wants to become a 'leader' in hamas. The message will be clear, doesnt matter if your in Qatar, bangkok, brasil. Wherever you are we will find you and take you out.
Thanks. I try to be as fair as possible and I've worried about giving the impression that I wasn't.
This is literally hell on earth. If hell is a place that didn't exist, it does now. IDF does not recognize Palestinians as people anymore.
Is it? So the British Instigated coup against Farouk and CIA favourite Gamal Nasser installed. To be replaced by the other stooge Sadat is news to you?
People will still find collateral damage excuses for this. They also bombed the Rafah crossing a few days ago, where they apparently told people to go to evacuate.
It's pretty much weeding them out and leading them into a trap. Now they want Palestinians to evacuate before they even consider ending the bombing but who will want to evacuate now? I'm seeing a trend here.
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I hope this is no longer the case. Dangerous thinking.
Highly unlikely that's an airstrike or artillery strike. Looks dodgy as feck. More unverified information from "journalists"
If you have Arab neighbors go out and kill them..dear God
Hezbollah are the most powerful non state army in the world. They held their own against IDF in previous engagements.
