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But there's no evidence of it. What's the point in making an accusation like that in an already heated situation when there's no evidence whatsoever for it.
You're essentially accusing everybody in the decision chain of mass murder, (usually about 8 people unless civcas is very high) including the lawyers and analysts who will have spent a career moderating these strikes.
That's remarkable. Is he a real ambassador, or just a representative?
First the post that you quoted was an hypothetical based on a question asked by the interviewer. Secondly Israel has already and for years justified strikes that would obviously kill hundreds if not thousands of civilians with the argument that a Hamas target was in the vicinities, the latest example beinga refugee camp this week. Then you have the fact that gazans have been delcared by israeli leaders complicit of Hamas and not innocent.
So logically what do you think would happen if Hamas ostensibly sheltered civilians, just base it on past actions and current narratives from IDF and israeli leaders? You think that they wouldn't strike Hamas shelters full of civilians?
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Yeah that is likely what Israel ideally want. It's also a horrible thought.
How about re-distribute the fecking Israelis?
They keep sharing the same ideas but people will claim that the particular individual sharing it at a certain point in time doesn't have power.
When the Bosnia war was happening I knew some people who worked for charities who went over there. They secretly filmed some what was going on and distributed copies upon return. I have arched the film and honestly wishes I hadn't. It was only about 10 minutes long and I couldn't go past 2/3 minutes at the time. Literally had nightmares for weeks and anxiety.
Anyway the reason I put that is because I currently know people in Gaza and some who are friends of a friend. Plus some who are very active in the charity field.
Some of them that I have spoken to are unanimous in saying that there has been a lot "made up" about the 7/10 attack. Let me just say that the attack did happen of that there is no dispute. However the 40 decapitated babies wasn't the only made up bit. Also it wasn't just Hamas involved. Feeling is Hamas are doing an ISIS, as in claiming every attack anywhere in the world and the narrative being "allowed" as it suited the Brits/Americans and etc.
The claim also is that some Israelis killed at the music festival etc was by "friendly fire" and panic by IDF.
*** Not claiming true. Just passing on information f I'm people inside.
***** That said more likely to believe this than IDF and Hamas propaganda
Anyway the reason I put that is because I currently know people in Gaza and some who are friends of a friend. Plus some who are very active in the charity field.
Some of them that I have spoken to are unanimous in saying that there has been a lot "made up" about the 7/10 attack. Let me just say that the attack did happen of that there is no dispute. However the 40 decapitated babies wasn't the only made up bit. Also it wasn't just Hamas involved. Feeling is Hamas are doing an ISIS, as in claiming every attack anywhere in the world and the narrative being "allowed" as it suited the Brits/Americans and etc.
The claim also is that some Israelis killed at the music festival etc was by "friendly fire" and panic by IDF.
*** Not claiming true. Just passing on information f I'm people inside.
***** That said more likely to believe this than IDF and Hamas propaganda
Irish people aren't pro Israel enough for their liking.
'' Hamas doesn’t value the lives of Gazan civilians. ''
Probably one of the few things Hamas and the IDF have in common.
No more or less than they would if Hamas sheltered in an apartment block. The proportionality tests are the same. Hypothetically they might, it would depend on the value of the targets as to proportionality. It would be a bad idea as I said though, because Israel will be targeting the infrastructure itself and probably wouldn't expect them there.
As to the bold, we're back to the LOAC. That's how it works. Whatever the politicians say (probably?) pays no part in the decision making process. The lawyers and other experts in the process don't suddenly think, 'oh ben gvir or herzog said this, lets do things differently now.' At least in the UK they never did. If the target package is badly or hastily put together (probably happening here) then you will get errors, but it's not malicious intent to allow the excess killing of civilians. I'd wager that many of the target packages are currently coming from US ISR anyway; Israel are evidently completely clueless currently.
People are allowed to have their own opinions, however toxic. My first thoughts on reading that was that he'd conveniently not want to send any to European/North American countries. And there's been a wide range of reactions. So 'they' assuming you mean Israelis aren't monolithic.
Weird. That was days ago. Seems they only keep track of popular social media, and not actually what the other side is saying. Or that their social media trolls are so disengaged they get nothing unless they check social media.
And that's how we end up with this horrific and tragic situation. Neither side is willing to budge enough to work out a deal for peace as both side's hardliners and nutjobs are too empowered.
Realistically speaking, the Camp David agreement was the best deal the Palestinians were ever likely to get from that point on. As you mention, even a majority polled thought Barak gave up too much so there is zero chance the demands that would have satisfied Arafat and company would have been possible. At least the Camp David agreement would have tempered the most abhorrent of Israeli policies and provided a platform of peace to build on which most likely would have been better than where we are now.
It's possible in some alternate reality where Rabin was not assassinated, that there could have been a better agreement for Palestinians but realistically in this world, Camp David seems like the last fork in the history of the region that offered a chance to avoid where we are now. As soon as Hamas took control of Gaza there was never going to be a good outcome.
This should also include when Sharon-Netanyahu took control of Israel as well a good outcome was never going to happen
I don't see how anyone can see where we are now and confidently say, in hindsight, that Arafat was right to reject everything. I think most neutral historians will look at Arafat's decision as a big mistake.
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I've been seeing the opposite. Perhaps for internal discourse, to desensitize to the killing.
And my opinion is that these takes aren't independent. When high ranking members of the governance keep sharing similar thoughts I find it suspect. But that's only me.
This was a bit of a bolt from the blue according to people I've spoken to. Hamas had been behaving well lately, getting people work permits to work in Israel and taking a far more peaceful path, as well as not providing harbour or support to PIJ. Israel had been softening too, providing work permits and stopping attacks. From an Israeli point of view, this attack was a huge shock in that context. It's almost like the Palestinian leadership has been having a power struggle, and the militants won. Something we may hear about later.
Its clearly a widely held view within the Israeli government and the Israeli population. Just casually talking about cleansing an area. I can't imagine what a Palestinian must feel like to hear that rhetoric especially when the reality is that that land was theirs.
As someone from Caribbean descent and who studied Caribbean history, Israel and it's actions just reek of colonialism. Its why a lot of caribbean people resonate with the Palestinian peoples cause.
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Just seeing this so apologies if late repost. Frok a US Congressman.
It's just too normalised and comfortable for the mighty West to be this anti-Palestine and racist.
Are those posters with us in the room?
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I don't understand the quote. Does it means that the State Department is unhappy about known employee's opinions or that they want these opinions to be aired out?
most likely in his head
I lost count tbh.
Just saw that Rachel Riley tweet about Jews refusing to play football with Arabs isn't racist.
Are there still some on here that will defend her?
Are there still some on here that will defend her?
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Let's print some t-shirts up!
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Ta Ri-ley!
Was this not a very bad attempt at satire, making the point that to do so would be racist, based on the report from Leeds University?
https://x.com/jackisaacs99/status/1720420513640518030?s=20
If you clicked on her tweet it was to show that it was the arab society players who refused to play the jewish players.
I just saw the story in The Guardian right here.
It is modern day settler colonialism.
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@Sweet Square Extension of the meme/theory going around I mentioned earlier. He’s retired US military.
Protesters mass outside Israeli PM Netanyahu's house as anger grows
“…On Saturday, a poll for Israel's Channel 13 Television found 76% of Israelis thought Netanyahu, now serving a record sixth term as prime minister, should resign and 64% saying the country should hold an election immediately after the war…”
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...i-pm-netanyahus-house-anger-grows-2023-11-04/
“…On Saturday, a poll for Israel's Channel 13 Television found 76% of Israelis thought Netanyahu, now serving a record sixth term as prime minister, should resign and 64% saying the country should hold an election immediately after the war…”
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...i-pm-netanyahus-house-anger-grows-2023-11-04/
Oh I didn’t see that. Cheers.
He will agree to hold an election after the war. That'll be in a few years anyhow.