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I dont know who told me here that it would not be possible that israel would be looking confrontation with hezbollah to make the conflict more pallatable as they would have a "real" enemy instead on slaughtering children in Gaza

Hezbollah might not bite, but it it seem that israel is looking for it
 
VorZakone said:
US wasn't warned in advance...

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It’s good that this Hamas guy is gone, but that’s not right. Israel shouldn’t take such action in Lebanon without notifying the U.S. These actions can lead to further escalation that could involve the United States.
 
ManUtd1999 said:
It’s good that this Hamas guy is gone, but that’s not right. Israel shouldn’t take such action in Lebanon without notifying the U.S. These actions can lead to further escalation that could involve the United States.
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He shouldnt do that in another sovereign state. Period

Or is that you need permission of US to do that?
 
ManUtd1999 said:
It’s good that this Hamas guy is gone, but that’s not right. Israel shouldn’t take such action in Lebanon without notifying the U.S. These actions can lead to further escalation that could involve the United States.
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Why bother? Israel knows the USA is going to have its back, will send weapons and money, provide diplomatic and military cover regardless of what happens.

People from the region are so dehumanised that people can't even recognise the ridiculousness of the situation.

A popular retort at the beginning of this conflict was 'imagine what the USA/UK/France/Germany would do if attacked like Israel was'.

How would the USA/UK/France/Germany react if a hostile nation bombed a building in Washington/London/Paris/Berlin? More to the point, would Israel ever do that?
 
4bars said:
I dont know who told me here that it would not be possible that israel would be looking confrontation with hezbollah to make the conflict more pallatable as they would have a "real" enemy instead on slaughtering children in Gaza

Hezbollah might not bite, but it it seem that israel is looking for it
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Me, I still think Hezbullah will not make a major retaliation, they might send few rockets that will not escalate further.
 
Giggsyking said:
Me, I still think Hezbullah will not make a major retaliation, they might send few rockets that will not escalate further.
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Oh, you are most likely right, but this is not my point. Hezbollah might not bite...yet, but i think israel is trying to pull them in the conflict (my point)
 
Mass displacement of Gazans has already happened, some are just pretending it isn't gonna be permanent.
 


That was said more than 2 months ago and it's exactly what they went on to do.
 
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They are honestly absolute cnuts - and yet some Zionists that I know, continue to paint themselves as the victims in this.

Genuine Q - are we soon going to start calling Hamas the resistance, instead of terrorists?
 
Tibs said:
They are honestly absolute cnuts - and yet some Zionists that I know, continue to paint themselves as the victims in this.

Genuine Q - are we soon going to start calling Hamas the resistance, instead of terrorists?
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No, because they are terrorists.

A new organization might emerge with a legitimate claim to be a resistance group.
 
maniak said:
No, because they are terrorists.

A new organization might emerge with a legitimate claim to be a resistance group.
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Why limit yourself? Hamas are a lot of things. They are both a terrorist and a resistance group.

There was a great post earlier in the thread about the narrowness of putting Hamas in that terrorist box.

A week ago, I posted an interview with Afif Safieh, a member of Fatah and former Palestinian ambassador to different countries, where he also made some great points about Hamas here.

The birth and the strength of Hamas has really damaged the Palestinian national movement, and I believe their emergence in Palestinian politics was mishandled. I for one, as I was then ambassador in Washington, I was not in agreement with the way the world, under Israel’s instigation, and some in our leadership, handled the electoral victory of Hamas in the legislative elections of 2006. By the way, it wasn’t spellbinding, it wasn’t overwhelming, they won with 44% and Fatah got 42%, and in those elections, Fatah had succeeded in defeating itself, because they went in dispersed ranks and ran several lists in the name of Fatah, dispersing the votes. But I was, as a democrat, favourable that the world should deal with the results of this election, and not under Israel’s instigation, and the bush administration, which was not very sophisticated, and was populated with many pro-Israelis.

They wanted to quarantine the Palestinians because of the Hamas victory, and it complicated our political life, and it has damaged our political system, this exclusion of Hamas. My opinion then was the following: their victory is not overwhelming, but they are the obvious victors of the election, and as a democrat, one has to gracefully win, or gracefully lose an election, and as a democrat, I believe democracy is made of four ingredients, its a multi-party system, the rule of the majority, the respect for the minority, and number four, the last election should not be the last election. And I personally believe that Hamas is not a monolithic movement. It is a movement that has several schools of thought within it, and within it, you have a democratic school, a modernist school, and you have a militant, radical, dogmatic school on the other hand. If we dealt with wisdom with the Hamas victory in 2006, I personally believe that we could have helped the modernist democratic wing within Hamas, to prevail.

By quarantining them, and by ghettoizing them and by antagonizing them, on the contrary, we pushed the militant wing on the ascendancy. So, we dealt with it not with great wisdom unfortunately. Today, I am not happy that there isn’t a sufficiently deep and broad dialogue within Palestinian factions, it’s sad. If, at any moment of our history we needed national cohesion and national unity, it’s today. We don’t have it unfortunately.
 
Idxomer said:
Why limit yourself? Hamas are a lot of things. They are both a terrorist and a resistance group.

There was a great post earlier in the thread about the narrowness of putting Hamas in that terrorist box.

A week ago, I posted an interview with Afif Safieh, a member of Fatah and former Palestinian ambassador to different countries, where he also made some great points about Hamas here.

The birth and the strength of Hamas has really damaged the Palestinian national movement, and I believe their emergence in Palestinian politics was mishandled. I for one, as I was then ambassador in Washington, I was not in agreement with the way the world, under Israel’s instigation, and some in our leadership, handled the electoral victory of Hamas in the legislative elections of 2006. By the way, it wasn’t spellbinding, it wasn’t overwhelming, they won with 44% and Fatah got 42%, and in those elections, Fatah had succeeded in defeating itself, because they went in dispersed ranks and ran several lists in the name of Fatah, dispersing the votes. But I was, as a democrat, favourable that the world should deal with the results of this election, and not under Israel’s instigation, and the bush administration, which was not very sophisticated, and was populated with many pro-Israelis.

They wanted to quarantine the Palestinians because of the Hamas victory, and it complicated our political life, and it has damaged our political system, this exclusion of Hamas. My opinion then was the following: their victory is not overwhelming, but they are the obvious victors of the election, and as a democrat, one has to gracefully win, or gracefully lose an election, and as a democrat, I believe democracy is made of four ingredients, its a multi-party system, the rule of the majority, the respect for the minority, and number four, the last election should not be the last election. And I personally believe that Hamas is not a monolithic movement. It is a movement that has several schools of thought within it, and within it, you have a democratic school, a modernist school, and you have a militant, radical, dogmatic school on the other hand. If we dealt with wisdom with the Hamas victory in 2006, I personally believe that we could have helped the modernist democratic wing within Hamas, to prevail.

By quarantining them, and by ghettoizing them and by antagonizing them, on the contrary, we pushed the militant wing on the ascendancy. So, we dealt with it not with great wisdom unfortunately. Today, I am not happy that there isn’t a sufficiently deep and broad dialogue within Palestinian factions, it’s sad. If, at any moment of our history we needed national cohesion and national unity, it’s today. We don’t have it unfortunately.
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Well, sure, organizations can be different things, but when one of them is a merciless terrorist group, that kinda trumps the rest.
 
RedTiger said:
And how do you think this new resistance group will resist? What will they do that previous iterations of resistance groups didn't?
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What happened in october was not resistance. They won't be saints and they'll kill people, the targets and methods will make a difference on how they will be seen.
 
maniak said:
What happened in october was not resistance. They won't be saints and they'll kill people, the targets and methods will make a difference on how they will be seen.
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I think they should do a weekly protest where they walk to the gaza border with only their underwear on so they're fully unarmed. There's no way Israel would start attacking that kind of protest.
 
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