It's in our hands (or not?)
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Ole OUT!!!
Would be brilliant though and fuel my belief that Ole is on the Cafe.
Yes I agree! But regardless of the likelihood it would still be possible and in our control to overtake them. That is fundamentally why I believe it is in our hands because the only thing that can stop us finishing in the top 4 is us failing to fulfill a result that we can influence.
EDIT: Think I've stumbled on the best way I can define it:
In your hands: The only way you do not achieve your target is by failing to fulfill a result(s) that you can influence.
Out of your hands: You can still not achieve your target even if you fulfill all the result(s) you can influence.
Leicester - in their hands.
Chelsea - in their hands
United - in their hands.
Arsenal - out of their hands. (could win every game 10-0 and still have 0% chance of achieving the top 4 at the beginning of the last day of the season)
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Yes I get your point, to me it just feels a bit disingenuous to say ‘well we could win 10-0 if we needed to’, and claim that it’s “in our hands” when Leicester in that scenario would need to just not lose 10-0. I wouldn’t feel particular control in that sense.
We could also win every game 10-0 and not qualify.
But I think we’re actually in agreement, we agree that it is MORE in the 2 teams above us hands. So I think we got there, or at least close enough.
I’m worried now though, the Europa league tie second leg isn’t in our hands anymore!
Yes I get your point, to me it just feels a bit disingenuous to say ‘well we could win 10-0 if we needed to’, and claim that it’s “in our hands” when Leicester in that scenario would need to just not lose 10-0. I wouldn’t feel particular control in that sense.
We could also win every game 10-0 and not qualify.
But I think we’re actually in agreement, we agree that it is MORE in the 2 teams above us hands. So I think we got there, or at least close enough.
I’m worried now though, the Europa league tie second leg isn’t in our hands anymore!
Yep I never at any point claimed it was more in our hands than the other teams. In fact I never said anything on the degree that it was in our hands or theirs, just that it technically was now in ours for the first time after last nights results.Yes I get your point, to me it just feels a bit disingenuous to say ‘well we could win 10-0 if we needed to’, and claim that it’s “in our hands” when Leicester in that scenario would need to just not lose 10-0. I wouldn’t feel particular control in that sense.
But I think we’re actually in agreement, we agree that it is MORE in the 2 teams above us hands. So I think we got there, or at least close enough.
So when @SirAnderson says things like I should edit the OP to say "That technically it is in their hands and not ours." - I fundamentally disagree. Technically it is in our hands as well as their's and I'm yet to be convinced how it's not regardless of what's realistic or disingenuous.
EDIT: The Europa league tie second leg is in our hands, it's a match we play in and influence directly.
If we fail to capitalize on all the positivity in this thread, and remain 5th, then we in CAS' hands to not overturn City's ban to qualify for CL.
But it is in our hands to win all our Europa and qualify for CL.
But it is in our hands to win all our Europa and qualify for CL.
Just wash your hands regularly and it will go away. Its a pandemic season and you can't afford to have anything in your hands
@Riz you still haven't got the fundamental point of my argument. I see yours and I understand it.
My point was on the use of the phrase as per its proper definition, right this very moment.
And not in how it plays out over 6 games.
It makes more sense that it is in Leicesters hands and not ours. Period.
But when you go through all the permutations and variables, then sure, it is also to a degree, in our hands.
My point was on the use of the phrase as per its proper definition, right this very moment.
And not in how it plays out over 6 games.
It makes more sense that it is in Leicesters hands and not ours. Period.
But when you go through all the permutations and variables, then sure, it is also to a degree, in our hands.
How has this reached 4 pages?
That only comes into effect if GD is the same.
Been having a bit of fun with it to be honestHow has this reached 4 pages?
FFS guys, by definition it’s not in our hands. You might, as I do, think that "it’s in our hands". I really do think that we got this if we continue our good run.
This will end up being longer than most of our post match threads (after a win)
Yeah I agree, it's in their hands as well and more-so in theirs as it stands
Hopefully not for much longer though
New to the Caf?
Thank you there!
It was apparent from the other thread where the "hands" thing came up that it was turning into a Grammar and Maths debate with heavy focus and high marks on knowledge of idioms, phrases and Probability.
And the OP would be irrelevant or would have to drastically change again in the next game week.
It seemed/and will turn out to irrelevant despite the interesting conversation.
Had to search up on No Context Hearn. Funny account and memes there.. Thanks for the heads up.
Coming from the other thread with the "hands" debate, I didn't mean to spite the OP or rub people the wrong way here, but my post here in this thread yesterday was the last one (10th) for the day and I couldn't make any corrections/clarifications.(shoulda use white text instead)
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It's in our hand if we dont need leicester to lose. Meaning they can win all their games and there's nothing they can do if we win all of ours.
Problem is we meet then on their last game.
So I'm gonna scratch the leicester against us since the chances are 50 50 either way.
So at this moment, last game probability aside It's still in their hand.
Plus a draw is in their favour so mathematically speaking our chances on the last game are 0.33 out of 1.
Problem is we meet then on their last game.
So I'm gonna scratch the leicester against us since the chances are 50 50 either way.
So at this moment, last game probability aside It's still in their hand.
Plus a draw is in their favour so mathematically speaking our chances on the last game are 0.33 out of 1.
It's in our hands. That goal difference should be easily surmountable looking at our fixtures coming up.
And in the head to head against Leicester, a 2-0 win swings the goal difference by 4 goals. So it is in our hands to win all the games and also get head of them on goal difference.
And in the head to head against Leicester, a 2-0 win swings the goal difference by 4 goals. So it is in our hands to win all the games and also get head of them on goal difference.
Mine is always in my hands.
This is the most glorious “Wonder Years”-esque shitpost.
Why, have you heard anything?
Yes, and it is also in our opponents hands.EDIT: The Europa league tie second leg is in our hands, it's a match we play in and influence directly.
It's. In. Our. Hands.
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Technically Wolves can start beating teams 10 0 so one can argue that the top 4 spot is in their hands as well. That is not going to happen. The reality is we need Leicester to drop points which they certainly will.
Yeah. I heard it’s in our hands
So Leicester won 3-0 and we won 5-2 so they matched us for points and goal difference.
What percentage of it is now in our hands?
What percentage of it is now in our hands?
@Berbasbullet
Budumpa bump bump. This kind of bump?
When Chelsea and Leicester lose tonight it will be in our hands, if not, apparently, it will not? I just feel the feet feel a bit left out honestly.
Budumpa bump bump. This kind of bump?
When Chelsea and Leicester lose tonight it will be in our hands, if not, apparently, it will not? I just feel the feet feel a bit left out honestly.
...what have you done...?@Berbasbullet
Budumpa bump bump. This kind of bump?
When Chelsea and Leicester lose tonight it will be in our hands, if not, apparently, it will not? I just feel the feet feel a bit left out honestly.
Feel like tonight we will all be in agreement, one of those two are dropping points.
Don't worry, its super obvious Chelsea and Leicester will absolutely BATTER Arsenal and Leicester. No brainer!...what have you done...?
Feel like tonight we will all be in agreement, one of those two are dropping points.
Well it is in their hands to do that.Don't worry, its super obvious Chelsea and Leicester will absolutely BATTER Arsenal and Leicester. No brainer!
’In our hands’ to me suggests that as long as Utd don’t mess up and drop points, it doesn’t matter what another team does in response... Right now that isn’t the case.
At the moment, we need at least one of Chelsea and Leicester to mess up and capitalise on it, then if we have more points than one of them after the same amount of games, then it’s ‘in our hands’
I suppose you could say it’s in our hands, because of Utds form in relation to Chelsea and Leicester, but form is temporary as the old saying goes. I’m certainly not taking it for granted that Utd will win all their remaining games, with Chelsea and Leicester faltering in that time.
However a circumstance could arise out of this season where City are banned from UEFA competition for at least a season, and therefore 5th place is granted the Champions League spot... then you can also say it’s ‘in our hands’ depending on the timing of the announcement of that case.
At the moment, we need at least one of Chelsea and Leicester to mess up and capitalise on it, then if we have more points than one of them after the same amount of games, then it’s ‘in our hands’
I suppose you could say it’s in our hands, because of Utds form in relation to Chelsea and Leicester, but form is temporary as the old saying goes. I’m certainly not taking it for granted that Utd will win all their remaining games, with Chelsea and Leicester faltering in that time.
However a circumstance could arise out of this season where City are banned from UEFA competition for at least a season, and therefore 5th place is granted the Champions League spot... then you can also say it’s ‘in our hands’ depending on the timing of the announcement of that case.
Completely in our hands now bastards.
We are officially in agreement! Great news!
Well at least this debacle is over
Hands.
Hands are now officially full with things in them
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