I think he'd have developed a lot better at other PL clubs as well. His issues aren't Ravel Morrison style deal-breakers but I don't think Wenger was the right manager for someone like him, think he needed help to stay focused and never really got it.
Jack Wilshere | I should be in the England squad
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As I've said, the overrating of Wilshere since his Arsenal 'comeback' has been laughable.
Bit odd. He's playing against probably the best club side in the world for a team that is coming of a loss to Ostersund.
Stop diving to the ground after every challenge might have helped.
Calm down fella.
Good logic. Henderson and whoever played in midfield for Wigan against City it is then.
Because of injury we will never see the player he could have been.
Nonsense point from Ogden. Are Germany going to ditch Ozil because he was worse than Wilshere today.
Not that I'd take Wilshere to the WC.
Not that I'd take Wilshere to the WC.
Mark Ogden isn't half a whopper.
Wilshere isn't top level and isn't good enough to dominate against Germany of France, but if that's the benchmark then we might as well just stay at home or send a couple of Sunday league lads.
I actually thought that until the 3rd goal went in and he predictably lost his head and became petulant, he was perhaps the best Arsenal player on the pitch. No one looked more comfortable on the ball and you got the feeling that if anyone was going to anything for Arsenal it was going to be him.
His obvious talent needed nurturing and development. Injuries and perhaps Wenger himself stagnating hasn't helped his cause. If I was English I'd still want him in the world cup squad. In the right system, he'd still be very good.
His obvious talent needed nurturing and development. Injuries and perhaps Wenger himself stagnating hasn't helped his cause. If I was English I'd still want him in the world cup squad. In the right system, he'd still be very good.
I agree, I thought he was the least bad Arsenal player today.
Seconded.
Agree. Before the goal, City were finding it hard to deal with him and he was single handedly countering their midfield.
They kept fouling him and if he was dealing with Fernandinho very shrewdly and had got him to the brink of getting a sent off.
Showed some excellent ball movement and was the best player for Arsenal. Kind of felt for him towards the end the loss was really hurting him.
Keano was right during the week. He's the most overrated player in the Premier League. What was Hodgson thinking bringing him to the Euros?
Him and Auba were the only two decent players for Arsenal (Auba with his runs). It's just more to do with the rest of their team not showing up and their manager not really having a clue. But tbf, until Mustafi decided to let Aguero have a free goal, Arsenal weren't looking too bad. But it is the same old under Wenger and I'd be very surprised if they managed to pull of a Europa cup win this season.
With Wilshere I'd like to see him play for England, but not really sure where or how. In a midfield two they'd get overrun, maybe a 3 with Henderson and someone else, with Alli, Kane and Sterling up front and Walker / Rose supporting from full back. The major problem with England really is that we never have a settled team, last Euros we had one team that played for most of the qaulifiers and then after a few friendlies decided to essentially play the half the Spurs team at the actual competition.
With Wilshere I'd like to see him play for England, but not really sure where or how. In a midfield two they'd get overrun, maybe a 3 with Henderson and someone else, with Alli, Kane and Sterling up front and Walker / Rose supporting from full back. The major problem with England really is that we never have a settled team, last Euros we had one team that played for most of the qaulifiers and then after a few friendlies decided to essentially play the half the Spurs team at the actual competition.
Hardly outlandish. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they won the champs league this season.
It’s pretty outlandish at this point. I’ll wait until they face a PSG, Bayern, Madrid or Barca before calling them probably the greatest club side in the World. Ffs
Keano called it
He seems to polarise opinion quite a bit, but to be quite MOR, I think he's nowhere near the player he has been in the past, but is being made to look good by how average Arsenal's squad is. He's still a decent-ish PL midfielder, but I don't think he'd actually start for any other top 6 side now.
Currently favourites to win the Champions League, but yeah, outlandish...
"We're not looking for excuses", he said after writing a list of excuses.
The first goal was a foul? 
They should change his name to Jack Pussy.
They should change his name to Jack Pussy.
Jeez man, how childish.The first goal was a foul?
They should change his name to Jack Pussy.
It's Jack Wilshit. Shitshire sounds like some town straight out of LOTR.
He should be no where near the England squad, nevermind the actual first team, he really is not good enough.
Isn't coming out and directly criticising the referees decisions like that something that can get you suspended? or does it only apply to managers?
If you don’t get it that’s ok. You probably didn’t watch him much before the injuries to understand what kind of player he could’ve been. Pointing at goals and assists and comparing him to Lingard kind of proves that. And by the way he was a much bigger talent then Lingard was. I think even most united fans that actually watched Wilshere play back then would’ve agreed with that.
Fair enough, I really don't get the hype surrounding him at all, for a player that doesn't score, assist or tackle that often, people sure do rate him or did, call me silly or old fashioned, but for me, I quite like my central midfielders to be quite good at least one or more than one of them.
There are great midfielder who do not do any of those things.
And Jack isn't one of them.
I think he would have been if it wasn't for all his injuries. But, he definitely isn't.
But such is the dearth of talent that England have in midfield, he's miles better than the alternatives.
I'm not fan of Wilshere but I'd much rather see him in a midfield than Henderson who is one of the worst midfielders we've ever had.
Nahh, I don't think he ever had the potential to be anything more than your random average player that he is now.
he's swayed my opinion - I'm now thinking Arsenal were very unlucky, 
I still don't know how he wasn't sent off yesterday btw. Sarcastically applauding the ref? The likes of Rooney have been seeing yellow for that since the days of Villareal in 06. Right In front of him as well, ref just had pity imo.
Anyone who watched him in his younger days could tell he was a really promising talent. I remember he was brilliant during his loan spell at Bolton and he was like 17 at the time. Obviously injuries played a huge part in him not fulfilling his potential but I feel he stagnated at some point and never really progressed from all his early promise.
I have to say, he's been overrated beyond belief since returning from his loan spell at Bournemouth and it appears that people are seeing what they want to see. He's been bang average at best and I think this is going to be his level.
I have to say, he's been overrated beyond belief since returning from his loan spell at Bournemouth and it appears that people are seeing what they want to see. He's been bang average at best and I think this is going to be his level.
You are wrong, then. He was a phenomenally gifted youngster - still probably the best sixteen-year-old I've ever personally watched play for an English youth side, and I've been watching youth football my whole life - and before the injuries set in he really started to fulfil that promise. His critics claim he trades purely on one game against Barcelona, but I could certainly name ten games of football against strong opponents that he dominated from midfield. A couple of England-Brazil matches come to mind immediately, for example.
Funny how things turns out. Both him and Lingard are roughly the same age, but there was a sizeable gap in their quality when they were under 20's. Ofcourse injuries have played their part, but goes to show how difficult is it to predict a youngster's path. Lingard as of now is the better player than Wilshere, having said that both of them should start for England at the WC.