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Yeah, €100m is also very unlikely. Dortmund have no reason to sell him for less than Dembeles fee (so at least €150m, propably about €200m)
 

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Seeing as we are happy to post negative shit sources when it involves United...

Reports today from Don Balon state Sancho has given United his word on a move to the club and will cost about €100m.

In all seriousness I think we have as much chance of signing him as anyone else, especially if he decides on a move to the PL.
There's no fecking way Dortmund let him go for 100 million Euros. None at all.

Dortmund categorically do not need to sell and he's one of the biggest young stars in football right now, improving year on year. I can see it taking 150m+ easily to get him, and that's 150m pounds.
 

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There's no fecking way Dortmund let him go for 100 million Euros. None at all.

Dortmund categorically do not need to sell and he's one of the biggest young stars in football right now, improving year on year. I can see it taking 150m+ easily to get him, and that's 150m pounds.
Did he sign the new contract? IIRC his contract runs out in 2021, so if he is sold next summer then it will be with 1 year left on contract.
 

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Did he sign the new contract? IIRC his contract runs out in 2021, so if he is sold next summer then it will be with 1 year left on contract.
Signed one recently didn't he? I know I read that one didn't extend his contract outright, but I'd be surprised if it didn't have some clause or other which at least gave Dortmund security.

IMO it would be a real dick move by Sancho to wait out his contract so Dortmund get less, and I don't think he would do that. They gave him this platform.
 

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Signed one recently didn't he? I know I read that one didn't extend his contract outright, but I'd be surprised if it didn't have some clause or other which at least gave Dortmund security.

IMO it would be a real dick move by Sancho to wait out his contract so Dortmund get less, and I don't think he would do that. They gave him this platform.
Not sure, I read he will sign contract but it wasn't reported by good source. Dont think anything is done officially.

Also not sure how it's a dick move, if he wants to move that's the way players should be doing considering how many players are priced out. He also left City under similar circumstances but without any experience. Only reason Dortmund got him on cheap was because of his contract issues.

I wouldn't be happy if I was Dortmund fan but from player POV if it wants to leave then it's better to keep the ball in his court. If he signs extension then he should ask for release clause. Who knows, in a season Madrid might be in for him.
 

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Also not sure how it's a dick move, if he wants to move that's the way players should be doing considering how many players are priced out. He also left City under similar circumstances but without any experience. Only reason Dortmund got him on cheap was because of his contract issues.

I wouldn't be happy if I was Dortmund fan but from player POV if it wants to leave then it's better to keep the ball in his court. If he signs extension then he should ask for release clause. Who knows, in a season Madrid might be in for him.

Dorttmund gave him opportunities other clubs would not have. They've developed him in to a top class player and deserve a huge fee. A fair release clause, say 150m or so, would be a good idea I think and should suit both parties. Dortmund get a good amount of money, and any club serious about wanting a talent like Sancho should be prepared to pay for it.
 

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Dorttmund gave him opportunities other clubs would not have. They've developed him in to a top class player and deserve a huge fee. A fair release clause, say 150m or so, would be a good idea I think and should suit both parties. Dortmund get a good amount of money, and any club serious about wanting a talent like Sancho should be prepared to pay for it.
Why do you assume other clubs wouldnt have given him chances? Spurs were desperate to sign him, so did other clubs but City just rejected all PL clubs. Dortmund obviously deserve credit for giving him chances but it's not like they picked up some unknown player, Sancho was very highly rated young player when they signed him and they were lucky that they signed him for so cheap. Also only reason they could sign him was player's contract issues. So if player wants to leave then still they will make huge profit for the player they picked up for almost nothing.

From club's point of view, 150 million is fair price but what if clubs like Madrid want him but don't want to pay huge fee? Why should he price himself out of moves to big clubs.

Anyways it's all hypothetical scenarios, it makes sense for player to have control on his future going by the huge transfer fee.
 

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Why do you assume other clubs wouldnt have given him chances? Spurs were desperate to sign him, so did other clubs but City just rejected all PL clubs. Dortmund obviously deserve credit for giving him chances but it's not like they picked up some unknown player, Sancho was very highly rated young player when they signed him and they were lucky that they signed him for so cheap. Also only reason they could sign him was player's contract issues. So if player wants to leave then still they will make huge profit for the player they picked up for almost nothing.

From club's point of view, 150 million is fair price but what if clubs like Madrid want him but don't want to pay huge fee? Why should he price himself out of moves to big clubs.

Anyways it's all hypothetical scenarios, it makes sense for player to have control on his future going by the huge transfer fee.

Very highly rated young players don't get chances all the time. Dortmund brought him in and made his career after he left a club where he wasn't getting games. Other clubs were after him but there's no guarantee they would have given him the platform/environment in which to succeed as Dortmund has. They've been perfect for his development, as they have with other young players. They deserve to be compensated well when the big clubs come around for the finished article.

From any point of view 150m or so is a fair price, anything like 100m euros or whatever would leave Dortmund in a difficult spot unable to replace him in this market. 150m or so isn't pricing himself out of a move in the current market, it's a fair going price for one of the biggest young talents around.
 

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Very highly rated young players don't get chances all the time. Dortmund brought him in and made his career after he left a club where he wasn't getting games. Other clubs were after him but there's no guarantee they would have given him the platform/environment in which to succeed as Dortmund has. They've been perfect for his development, as they have with other young players. They deserve to be compensated well when the big clubs come around for the finished article.

From any point of view 150m or so is a fair price, anything like 100m euros or whatever would leave Dortmund in a difficult spot unable to replace him in this market. 150m or so isn't pricing himself out of a move in the current market, it's a fair going price for one of the biggest young talents around.
How is 150 million fair price from any point of view? Only 2 players are sold for higher fee than 150 million. Mbappe and Neymar. Dembele and Coutinho were sold for around 110-120 million plus many addons.

We have to show same concern to City too, who signed Sancho from Watford, nurtured his talent but lost him because of contract issues for just under 10 million.

Just like how other young players weren't getting chances, they are many who were getting chances too especially players who made such an impact from the very start of his career. There is a reason why he was so highly rated and so many clubs wanted him.
 

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Did he sign the new contract? IIRC his contract runs out in 2021, so if he is sold next summer then it will be with 1 year left on contract.
His contract runs out 2022. Last year in october Sancho extended his contract for one more year.
 

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Jesus it’s only four games in. How do you know we won’t have a solid season? No doubt we have issues but the only two teams in the league that don’t are Liverpool and City so top 4 is there for the taking. If we got that there’s nothing to say he won’t join.

The sort of money he would cost is far higher than City and Liverpool have ever spent on one player so they may not even be interested in getting into an auction.
The 'solid season' is to be decided, but i think he would have liked to have seen us start to build towards competing this summer. I don't mind the summer too much because I'm looking at it from a long term perspective, but will he do the same? He'll probably be the next player we call, so have we done enough to convince him that we're on the right path. Finishing 4th with the team we have isn't exactly going to rock the footballing world.

The question is what level of ambition would the likes of Sancho have hoped to have seen from us to convince them? I'm not convinced 4th place is enough if you're a highly sought after player. For the fans yes, but not a player like him. I hope I'm wrong.
 

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If you guys watch the Amazon mini-series on Dortmund, 3rd episode, it shows the football heads at Dortmund earlier this year discussing United putting out feelers re: a Sancho transfer, but only through 3rd parties/consultants. It wasn't very serious, but the inquiry was legit. They were calm and firm that Sancho wasn't going to be sold in the summer (this past summer window), but didn't rule out him being a transfer out in the coming future. They know Sancho leaving is imminent, but not a pressing situation.
 

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One more good season and Barcelona will switch their attention away from Neymar.

Sorry but you don't have a chance.
 

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It feels like there's been a lot of Leicester fans active on the forum of late. They all seem to have a chip on their shoulder too :lol:
We had an influx with the Maguire transfer. A few really thought he'd stay instead of joining us, or that they'd actually stop him leaving as they're "ambitious" pfff.

We might have dropped a notch but we're still much, much bigger than them.
 

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We had an influx with the Maguire transfer. A few really thought he'd stay instead of joining us, or that they'd actually stop him leaving as they're "ambitious" pfff.

We might have dropped a notch but we're still much, much bigger than them.
Ah yeah that makes sense. Seems like Brendan's hubris has started to rub off on the fan base pretty quickly.
 

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In an alternate Universe our front three is Sancho, Mbappe & Rashford and people are comparing it to the 2008 front 3 of Ronaldo, Rooney & Tevez
 

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Borussia Dortmund's sporting director Michael Zorc shed some light on United's Sancho interest in the Amazon Prime documentary "Inside Borussia Dortmund". I've written down what he says about it in the third episode, around the 1h10 mark.

Zorc on Uniteds interest in Sancho
"A hot topic right now is Sancho and Manchester United, both his discussion with the club and mine with the consultants. A meeting took place. Man United invited the consultant. But according to what I know, the consultant told the club that no matter how much money they offer, we won't let him go this summer. But the player also has no intention of taking that step this summer."

Zorc on transfers in general
"We're not constantly receiving faxes or emails saying, 'We're offering this or that'. That's a myth. It's really more subtle, more indirect. Normally it's first explored through third parties, to find out if there is any willingness to let a player go. I think clubs first try to find out, 'how serious are Borussia Dortmund when they say they won't let a player go?' In this case, we're quite serious about it. Very serious even."
 

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Looking forward to seeing him in the PL next season. Playing for City.
 

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Looking forward to seeing him in the PL next season. Playing for City.
Very possible. This time last year most fans on here thought it was gonna be easy to land Sancho, Rice, Saul Niguez and Koulibaly once we waved a little cash. Next summer will be the same surprises.
But City have Bernardo Silva, David Silva, Sterling and Sane on the wings. So Sancho might prefer to go somewhere with less competition.

Liverpool will be favourites to sign him if they sell Mo Salah to Madrid or PSG, and Utd don't get top 4.
 

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But City have Bernardo Silva, David Silva, Sterling and Sane on the wings. So Sancho might prefer to go somewhere with less competition.

Liverpool will be favourites to sign him if they sell Mo Salah to Madrid or PSG, and Utd don't get top 4.
This is David Silvas last season at city- I think he announced it over the break. The rest I agree with.
 

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Finish top four, we have a chance. But we all know we aren't finishing in the top four.
 

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But it’s so evident that this is what it is. Some sort of emotional defence mechanism. And it’s rife with the negativity across the forum in general, particularly with transfers tbh. There are those who go around putting the club down and being negative about everything, but it’s not based on any facts or information, it’s because they can’t emotionally deal with being positive, not without guarantees, which is not football.

What will be will be, in the meantime, let’s just be honest and say that we would like United to sign Jadon Sancho, because we would. I think grown men should be able to confront and deal with that reality, regardless of what happens. It’s only football like.
Fair points and I tend to agree.
 

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Finish top four, we have a chance. But we all know we aren't finishing in the top four.
It's going to take a British transfer record and one captivating 'project'. This is a real case of needing to work with the player, club and agent months in advance. If we show up next July with our first bid it will be too late.
 

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Finish top four, we have a chance. But we all know we aren't finishing in the top four.
Top four is overrated, its only important if you depend on the revenues to make a difference. You can sign the best players without it if you have the dosh. A 19 year old isn't going to be bothered by United not being in the top four for a year.
 

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Top four is overrated, its only important if you depend on the revenues to make a difference. You can sign the best players without it if you have the dosh. A 19 year old isn't going to be bothered by United not being in the top four for a year.
How about missing out on it 5 times in 7 years?
 
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