But Frenkie De Jong is not a top player.
He's a prospect in the 11th best league in Europe who is far from being actually proven.
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He's a prospect in the 11th best league in Europe who is far from being actually proven.
Slight overreaction there
People should stop using the supposed low level of a league to question the potential of players, because when you list the actual world class players in the world, the vast majority are from european leagues that you call "farmer leagues" or from South America and not from Spain or England(the tough leagues).
You can recognize the best talents no matter where they are playing.
You can recognize the best talents no matter where they are playing.
Only saw the last 15 minutes of the game, nice piece of play from him in Dortmund's goal and I think this idea he's regressed is wide of the mark, Dortmund shouldn't be relying so heavily on him but they are in Reus abscence.
But Reus played the majority of the game.
Yeah. Who would have known that Zlatan (and the likes of Robben for that matter) played in The Netherlands. Schmeichel played in Denmark, Lewandowski in Poland and an old striker that we all know, who scored the winner of a well known Champions league final came straight from Molde in Norway. And that's to mention only a few.
Hasn't he been injured recently though? I recall in the CL game vs Spurs he was out and they were relying heavily on two teenage wingers and Gotze. I'm just saying he's contributing regularly but there's a lot being asked of him in this Dortmund team right now to almost be the main man at 18.
Yeah, he was taken off after about 66 minutes, and yes he was injured. As the situation is currently (and has been for a while in Dortmund) they rely on the youngsters to carry them. Especially this game where the likes of Delaney and Witsel didn't step up. As much as I like "young teams", this was a bit too much with a very low average age (and experiance at this level). Undeniable talent, but some times you need more than that too.
So arguably the 3rd best league in the world is a shite league. No wonder you think he’d go for £75m.
Want to make a bet? Assuming Dortmund sell him this summer or next; if he goes for under £100m, I donate £25 to the Caf or a charity of your choice. Over £100m, you do. Interested?
If he agrees you probably should specify with or without addons (the straight up sum or not).
£100m without add-ons @Morpheus 7
Jadon Sancho won't come cheap and since we have other gaping holes to fix.... I don't see him coming here... atleast not this summer.
What's "other gaping hole" you are talking about? Right wing is the exact gaping hole we need to fix this summer!
The gaping RW hole is so big and vast its spread into other areas of the pitch so people think other areas are in need of fixing more.
It's literally our biggest hole
This.
Yep. Our left side is vastly superior to our right. Martial, Shaw and Pogba vs. Lingard, Herrera and Young. We need a top RW to balance things out and hope that Dalot can take over from Young next season.
Watched him last night. If 100m is the price, it would be mostly about potential and ceiling, not his current level. But that's a very rough estimate based on watching him in several games. Think he wouldn't be an instant hit in the PL just yet. The game against Spurs might convince me otherwise though.
i hope we get Sancho but i always have hada feeling that if the coaches trusted Pereira a lil bit more in the RW position he would be really good there but he hasnt't really had a chance to play there
Anyone have any idea how Sancho performed in the youth academy?
Greenwood is doing so well for us and if he brings in that quality to the first team there would be zero need for Sancho.
Best to wait to see how Greenwood performs in the first team rather then spend a lot of money on Sancho which might even hinder Greenwood's chances
Greenwood is doing so well for us and if he brings in that quality to the first team there would be zero need for Sancho.
Best to wait to see how Greenwood performs in the first team rather then spend a lot of money on Sancho which might even hinder Greenwood's chances
Barcelona got lenglet for a reasonable fee. Same with Arthur. Madrid got the Vinicius for 40 right? And look how good he is. Essentially let's get our money's worth. The likes McGuire and Free for 50-70 million is poor business. There's a difference between a player on the rise like Mane and Depay for example and that's the managers job to get right.
Hopefully Ole does
Even in the examples you have given the players were signed for a figure not far from £50m and there were mitigating factors - Lenglet was signed on a release clause while Arthur and Vinicius were signed directly from Brazil. The latter was a £40m signing at 17 so couldn’t even join Madrid directly.
Agree it’s all about getting our moneys worth but like you said mostly won’t know that until a player joins and it’s easier said than done. Fred if joined in a less volatile situation might have been worth the outlay he was.
If you was Sancho would you see a need to rush back now?
He may as well have 1 more season playing in a system he obviously thrives in, before taking the risk of stepping up to the top tier. Where that will be is a different question altogether though. Real Madrid could be looking for a replacement for Bale, Juventus don't have anyone of his mould, United are crying out for a RW, so he'll have his options wide open
He may as well have 1 more season playing in a system he obviously thrives in, before taking the risk of stepping up to the top tier. Where that will be is a different question altogether though. Real Madrid could be looking for a replacement for Bale, Juventus don't have anyone of his mould, United are crying out for a RW, so he'll have his options wide open
Not necessarely much better than others players who have failed to perform at the pro level or who don't even get to play with their 1st team yet.
He was always more of a flair player than others and a top class talent
But we're not speaking of a generational talent from day 1 kind of player, he was often benched for CHO and Pep let him go even though he knew he was talented (Same Pep who wasn't afraid to play a 17 year old Bojan)
It's hard to call because they're not even remotely the same kind of players., an example I'd use is Fiete-Arp. He was always one of the top goalscorers in these Euro/WC U17 tournaments yet he wasn't even good in 2. Bundesliga.
Some good points but I disagree that the market will deflate.
Dembele, Coutinho and Mbappe. All over £140m.
The precedent is set and you will not see many top players move for less than £100m.
There is a real shortage of top talent that is attainable and a lot of clubs in need of it.
Also, in the age of social media true superstars are worth more than ever to their clubs. As Mourinho said, Neymar was "cheap" given his profile and talent. It's the average players getting quoted at £50m that he said are expensive.
I think that the idea Sancho will move for less than £100m is absolutely hilarious.
He will cost at least as much as Dembele and clearly looks worth it given the potential upside.
I think we will move for him in the summer as it would be madness not to. Absolute madness.
I think scenario 1 will happen and we will try his head this summer. The money alone would make it impossible to turn down and that's before you factor he gets to go home and play for the biggest club in his league.
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I mean that's only true if he moves on a high as in this season.
If he stays one more year and produces mediocre performances his value will go down massively and he could move for less than 100M.
Just look at Leon Bailey last year, 70/80M rumors and nowadays he's barely worth half that amount.
Or he could stay one more year, do just as well (or look even better), go to the Euro's and shine there, and his price goes up further.
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If our only competition is PSG according to that article then get ready lads, he’s coming home.
It makes perfect sense to do an effort here. If we sign Sancho and manage to keep him in the future there's a player for a whole generation, and nobody will look back at the fee with regrets. Obviously there has to be a limit at some point, but I perfectly understand to get a bit crazy this summer and try to bring the kid with us. He's exactly the kind of player we need, incredible potential, no adapting barriers at all, etc. Can't wait for it to happen.
I'm not sure I trust Mr Kajumba on this..
Is this Kajumba guy reliable?
I don’t think anyone who writes for the Mirror is reliable.
I thought John Cross was, kind of
Not from what I can remember, although I might be confusing him.
Well he interviewed Sancho 2 weeks ago.
The biggest competition is him staying at Dortmund this summer IMO. If he leaves, we're the only option pretty much that makes sense in every department.
He’ll probably stay this summer but I meant more whenever he leaves. Still worried about Chelsea, Real and Barca next summer.
Chelsea just signed pulisic and theres been a pretty big trend of Abramovich not crazy spending anymore (and they're looking very fragile long term compared to the other top 6). Not too worried about them. Barca more so than Real Madrid, but there has been a decent amount of talk of him wanting to go to the premier league so him being English helps us loads in that department. I'd say we're overwhelming favourites because both City and Liverpool have years left in their wide players while we can outspend anyone and have the automatic spot for him.
First time I see his name come up. Had a look and he seems to cover the London clubs, but doesn't do a lot of transfers news. Would be surprised if a London based journalist beats the Manchester based ones to a story like this, unless it's coming from Sancho's side, which could be possible considering he interviewed him recently. Best to assume he's unreliable though.
Kajumba has a poor record from my recollection. Sancho has also given many interviews since his star has started to shine in the Bundesliga. If there was anything to the story, then I would've expected David McDonnel who is the Manchester correspondent to break it.
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