Playing in his best position, off the left - just something for folk to think about. I think if he were to come in and play on the right ithere would be a sense that we could get more from him.
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It's the argument that Coutinho's fee doesn't count that is the most baffling part, I've ready it a few times here and on Twitter, it's so strange. You can't pick and choose what fees count and which don't to suit an argument.
And part of the reason his fee was so high was cos of his development under Klopp to become the player he was when he left. The 2 seasons he played for him where without doubt the best and most consistant seasons of his career to date. Sure he inherited the player, but he shaped the Coutinho Liverpool sold.
Anyway, Sancho.... the boy is back on track in a good way, the fee will be large and the teams will be lining up
Spot on. Additionally, net spend is a bit misleading as well. Just because you manage to sell your assets for top dollar doesn't mean that the players acquired (even though in aggregate have been acquired for similar amounts as what has be raised through sales) will form a cohesive and well balanced team. United's spend has resulted in a team with obvious deficiencies, net spend doesn't correlate to a CL positioned team.
Leicester City's recent history has shown that neither a large wage bill nor a large net spend is a necessary predicate for a winning club, smart spending is the key.
Then there the dozens of players who have chosen others over us as well from Thiago to Fabregas to Hazard to VVD. We can’t have them all but in the last 6 years we have invariably let the best go to our rivals whilst we’ve opted for poor options (hindsight helps I guess). Liverpool ended up with 2/3 of them.
While that's true he had a similar run on the right hand side for Dortmund also.
I think he's more of a goal threat from the left, but he can do a great job on the right also.
Sterling is also best from the left for City, Mane best on the left for Lpool. Everybody has to compromise somewhere.
He simply wasn't, even though his stats at the beginning of the season were insane.
The only relatively high-profile target that they've signed was VVD and no one competed with them for the price that was quoted. We weren't trying to sign Mane, Salah, Firmino, Fabinho (as more reliant sources stated multiple times), Keita etc. (even though we should've, of course).
Coutinho awards while at Liverpool. Cleaned up fan awards and team mate awards. who was the best player then? He was even the best player under Klopp for a bit.
PFA Team of the Year: 2014–15 Premier League
UEFA Europa League Squad of the Season: 2015–16
Liverpool Fans Player of the Season Award: 2014–15,[143] 2015–16
Liverpool Players' Player of the Season Award: 2014–15,[145] 2015–16
Liverpool Goal of the Season: 2014–15,[145] 2015–16[144]
Liverpool Performance of the Season: 2014–15,[145] 2015–16[144]
Samba Gold Award (Samba d'Or): 2016[146]
Football Supporters' Federation Player of the Year: 2016[147]
FIFA FIFPro World XI 4th team: 2017, 2018
Then who was?
agreed. its so stupid. If Man Utd sell Pogba now for 150 million and reinvest for a negative net spend, we had to sell a prized asset who actually adds something to the team but what everIt's the argument that Coutinho's fee doesn't count that is the most baffling part, I've ready it a few times here and on Twitter, it's so strange. You can't pick and choose what fees count and which don't to suit an argument.
And part of the reason his fee was so high was cos of his development under Klopp to become the player he was when he left. The 2 seasons he played for him where without doubt the best and most consistant seasons of his career to date. Sure he inherited the player, but he shaped the Coutinho Liverpool sold.
Anyway, Sancho.... the boy is back on track in a good way, the fee will be large and the teams will be lining up
I love him in a free central position allowing him to drift left & right.
At the time of his transfer, already Salah. Coutinho had insane numbers at the beginning of 2017/18 if I remember right, but he was clearly an odd one out and Klopp had already started his rebuild to 4-3-3. Coutinho required for a team play to be built around him as a number 10, and for that team to give him the ball constantly around the box to shoot, and, with Salah present, it was clear that the way forward was to somehow get rid of him.
There were multiple sources that stated that Klopp was more than happy to sell him and was surprised about the fee. Barcelona fecked up incredibly from the start, since (as they've stated) Coutinho was supposed to be an Iniesta's replacements, but his skillset was completely unsuited to the role.
Coutinho was Liverpool's best player but he was an individual player who wasn't playing Klopp's football the best possible way.
Klopp did the best transfer I had seen in a long time--sold him for bands and spread that quality across the squad.
Amazing work. Really is.
I always like Pogba & I want him to stay but he is someone you build a bit around rather than fit in to a system - wouldn't be the worst thing to do a Coutinho but we are no where near a Liverpool trajectory at the moment so it's shooting ourselves in the foot & I don't think we need money like that either.
Klopp did the best transfer I had seen in a long time--sold him for bands and spread that quality across the squad.
Amazing work. Really is.
I always like Pogba & I want him to stay but he is someone you build a bit around rather than fit in to a system - wouldn't be the worst thing to do a Coutinho but we are no where near a Liverpool trajectory at the moment so it's shooting ourselves in the foot & I don't think we need money like that either.
I think he is fine anywhere in a 3 behind the striker. He is more than a winger. He is not quite a No.10 in the traditional sense but he can play anywhere behind a striker.
I followed his transfer closely, and dont remember it that way at all. As I recall, Barcelona made their move late in the summer, catching Liverpool in a situation where they were not prepared to sell. Klopp even gave Coutinho the armband in 1-2 preseason games to show how valuable he was to the club. They did their best to keep him, but he made it clear that he didn't want to stay, and Klopp had no interest in keeping someone around against their will, so they started working on the transfer with Barcelona and making plans to remake the team.
Also, Salah was excellent that fall, but Coutinho was the star of the show who was grabbing the headlines. I agree that coutinho needed the team to be built around him to flourish, and both were playing at a high level, but There was a ton of talk in the media and amongst liverpool fans about how difficult it would be to replace Coutinho.
Klopp obviously had a plan in place, but that doesn't take away from what Coutinho accomplished.
What’s the compromise? Sterling and Mane are being played from the left and are perhaps the two best players in the league.
I think Sancho looks better on the left. I certainly think he is more capable when stationed on the right than Martial or Rashford, but in that sense I would liken him to James in that I see it as a viable position for him but not his best. Unlike James though, I would be less content with him operating there to accommodate Rashford on the left because I think we would get more from him on his favoured side.
Really? Pretty much every time I've seen him he's played from the right and looked absolutely superb there. How fecking good is he on the left? Ronaldo?
I don’t think Juventus it France ‘built the team around’ Pogba.
I think he can drift out of games a bit more on the right and allow them to pass him by a little at times. He looks more natural down that left side (as the majority of broadly similar players do). I’m sure a player as talented as Hazard would be extremely competent down the right too, but you wouldn’t play him there.
The issue with being central is it's easier to mark out good dribblers
that if they sign him, they’ll play him on the right too.
Net spend, at least the way fans define it, is meaningless to me because it doesn't include wages, which doesn't reflect how football clubs do their accounting (fees and wages are added up then divided by the length of contract)
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Both are better players though so that would make sense. We don’t have a better left sided player - Sancho being deployed on the right for us would be like Mane or Sterling being shifted to the right to accommodate Sancho for their clubs.
I really don't want to be stabbing Pogba here because I do like him and I want to keep him - but Juventus & France is a little different to say how Liverpool or City play football now isn't it?
Im just trying to correct my self because I do think your right but ultimately that's why I think selling Pogba for United is a mistake. Being as good Juventus tactically in our league even if the quality isn't there would be a step up but I don't think Pogba could play City football or Liverpool football. To me that says that you kind of have to build a team to accommodate him or his deficiencies much more than have him as a part of a system able to be fluid in the way he plays where he does a bit of everything and generally tends to be good at a bit of everything to a decent level.
There’s one story on the surface and another one of you’ll look closer. When at September they had to play without him, they’ve had their best games so far in the season (it was Arsenal & Hoffenheim). More so, they’ve created 6 clear chances in both games — more than in any other game under Klopp at the time.
It was also evident that Klopp prefers very intensive pressing and Countinho personally & 4-2-3-1 as a formation were not the best choices for a gegenpressing system. Firmino also performed best as a false 9 without an overlapping number 10 occupying same areas.
Right not rashford is matching his output from the left. We made the same mistake last time with martial/Sanchez. I’d rather get a star player in CAM or CM. Cover is what we need for the wings, or an upgrade on James on the right.
Since when were we ever interested in VVD?
As for the others Hazard didn't come because Fergie refused to pay the agents fees, Fabregas didn't come because he didn't want to leave Barcelona and Thiago was vetoed by Moyes (lol)
Doesn't change the fact he was their best player in previous seasons so a valuable asset. Is the squad better or worse with him in it? He can play LW as well and offers some pizazz!
The fee was extortionate
In the previous years - yeah, probably. At the time of his transfer - not. His best was always in the number 10, he doesn’t provide width, workrate & wing play from the left. He’s basically a free-roaming attacker that starts on the wing and cuts inside, completely unsuited to Klopp’s vision.
Yeah selling Coutinho for Liverpool really worked because they actually had a board and owners who actually care about what happens on the pitch whereas with us you just feel like our yankee leeches and their Toy Story puppet will pocket the money and we won't replace him properly.
I'm not buying that. Everything indicated Liverpool wanted to keep him. I think there was less pressure to keep him with Salah hitting the ground running but it seems like Liverpool tried everything to keep him.
Why is this thread about Liverpool and Coutinho?
I see you're following the 5th rule of Caf Club.
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Yeah, so Jadon Sancho?
Not Liverpool, not their manager, nor either any of their current or former players. I’m absolutely sick of reading about those cnuts on a Manchester United forum.
Exactly
Linked with Chelsea this morning.
Yes. It's annoying. Hopefully they spend big on Isco instead who is also being linked with a move.
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The Chelsea link must be garbage given the wide players they have but if not then a cheeky bid for Hudson Odoi would be a good move in my opinion.
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