Pfft definitely happening today. Get a load of this guy.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Good post! I agree with all of that.
Buying Sancho in this window is a huge risk even if he's a generational talent. We're in urgent need of immediate back up to Bruno and Shaw if we're going to compete in both the PL and CL. Bruno and McT instead of Matic is also a huge step down i quality.
Next seasons schedule is brutal. We maybe need to find players on loan. Coutinho isn't all that bad from my perspective. In fact whatever it takes to piss off Arsenal is good enough reason for me.
I also have big hopes regarding a couple of our youngsters. Teden Mengi is one in particular I looking forward to see develop.
Thanks for the kind words mate!
As far as coutinho is concerned I just don’t see him wanting to be backup anymore. He might as well stay at Bayern then.
VdB is a good backup and squad option to acquire in my opinion, but with every single passing day im seriously starting to doubt if we’ll spend much this summer. Players like him may not be affordable for us if we buy Sancho.
As for Sancho, I think he’s totally worth it because he can play in any of the front 3 positions and that is a huge benefit! Specially when we need to make smart acquisitions. Same reason I love VdB.
But yes, I do agree we need to focus on loan signings for now. Give us breathing room until next summer. By that time a couple more of our youth players may be ready to be brought into the fold and we may not need to make the loans permanent or bring in new acquisitions essentially. Or at least not have to spend insane amounts.
They like to set themselves up for disappointment I guess.
Nice post.
Like you say, you have to have a balanced view. Irrespective of what people say about the Glazers, the pandemic has dismissed this notion of Glazers penny pinching and United being a cash cow. They have kept the business at the forefront of of world football business and has allowed us to be able to spend this year, unlike clubs such as Real and Barca. But not wanting to derail this thread...
Our academy will be a massive part of our plans. It will be another source of income for us, whilst potentially saving us big money every so often. What I mean is, I believe we are going down the Chelsea route of buying top young talent, giving them loan spell, with maybe a few first team games and then sell for profit. Then hopefully a few Mason's, Rashford's, Williams etc come through.
But going back to Sancho, he is that kind of player where we spend big and should be fine for about 3-5 years.
I’d much rather we spent our entire summer budget on Sancho than on Grealish and Gabriel. Both will Undoubtably improve the squad, but not the first 11 like Sancho would.
Exactly.
I was just being you...pessimistic about 3-5 years!
But yea, if successful and not then wanting to agitate for a move, he would be here for longer.
Ahahaha fair enoughI was just being you...pessimistic about 3-5 years!
But yea, if successful and not then wanting to agitate for a move, he would be here for longer.
And yes to be fair, 3-5 years itself is a decent enough time to not have to worry for. This pandemic should be well past us by that point and that’ll solve many problems on its own. At least we don’t have to worry in the short term.
Reminds me of when Fergie pinpointed Van Persie as exactly what we needed. Solskjaer and his staff think Sancho is critical. Hope we can swing it.
Woodward better delivers. Pool is running away now with Thiago in their ranks as well
Impressed Ole is putting some pressure on the board. About feckin time.
I remember a lot of fans saying that it was crazy to spend almost our entire summer budget on Rooney when we had Smith and Saha to support RVN.
Look how that turned out. Rooney became integral to United for over a decade and became our all time greatest goalscorers.
Sancho has the potential to elevate this team like Rooney. Just get the fecking deal done. If it means we don’t sign an average CB like Gabriel then so be it.
well you seem keen to tell me my problems
I have my issues with Ole not being good enough Or the right man, but this is fecking great and about time in truth.
With every week that passes without the team being strengthened, I want to see more comments like this from Solskjær.
The board must not assume that top four is a given with this squad next season. An injury to Pog, Bruno Or Martial and we could be in massive trouble.
Sancho can play on the right left and through the middle, so he covers a lot of positions. He’s creative and he scores goals. He is the perfect signing for the club and if we don’t sign him then fans need to turn their anger towards the board.
Still not expecting much movement on this until our season is officially over with
Have to say he impressed me here.
Not sure it works that way. Players negotiate on their annual salary. The per week rate is something the fans and media dwell on because players might get paid weekly. So if we negotiate an annual wage of £11m. Sancho will get that regardless if he’s signed today or next month.
Sancho has to hand in a transfer request if this deal is to happen now.
It would support the media narrative for both sides.
Dortmund - Well he wanted to leave
United - he wants to play for us because he forced the move
It would support the media narrative for both sides.
Dortmund - Well he wanted to leave
United - he wants to play for us because he forced the move
Any deal he (or any player) signs will be up to 30 June 202X, if we signed him 2 weeks ago verses 2 weeks in the future then overall we’d pay him 4 weeks less in wages.
Seems like an unbelievably weird fit for me. I'd guess Thiago's agent is trying to smoke out a buyer or get an improved contract from Bayern. But maybe there's a lot I don't know about due to not caring and his transfer to Liverpool is obviously happening.
Nothing will happen till the EL is finished
One thing that people need to keep in mind is that UEFA money in terms of prize money and broadcasting rights haven't been distributed yet, the big pay generally happens in late June. So many clubs are waiting for that influx of cash that should come in September. For example the Memphis case will only be fixed in a month, there is no way that Lyon wants to keep him, so he will either be sold allegedly to Dortmund or he will extend one year but Aulas will start his PR campaign when the CL is over.
Do ye think that quite from Ole is him starting to panic a little bit with the total lack of progress or even serious links to players yet?
I like the idea that Ole learns about our transfer targets via links in the media.
I mean that the lack of links is a symptom of the fact that we aren’t actually close to signing anyone and Ole is telling them to get a move on
I don't think that's necessarily true, silence is usually good news as it's indicative of negotiations. There was hardly any noise when we signed Lukaku despite all the surrounding news on Moratta. Bruno was relatively left field. The lack of media from our briefs and more recently Dortmund's is positive.
No it wasn't?! It went on for ages. I’ll absolutely give you lukaku though.
But if he really cares about it, he can negotiate a total package that would compensate for the difference in wage during these 4 weeks, I'm not sure if the sum is that important but it can be done, of course the club could refuse but the sum is negligeable for both sides. People focus a little bit too much on the weekly wages and tabloid figures.
To be fair my initial post on this subject was entirely facetious but I very much doubt either party would get bogged down in that level of detail on the timing. It’ll be a headline weekly figure with a load of bonus clauses, they’re not going to get into pro-rating for him joining “late”, and neither will Ed be putting things off to save a few weeks wages.
Very promising Ole quotes, he knows what he's doing, he knows what he wants, and he'll get it.
Wait a minute! Are you saying we are like Arsenal?
Surely he must know some ITKs?
Yeah that was a confusing post by peridigm. Of course it matters when the contract is concluded, even if it is an annual “salary”. Pro rate/accrual, all that.
If the owners fail to back a club legend in Ole after he delivered champions league football then Ed and the Glazers can truly get fecked along with the apologists on here, “tHeY sPenD mOnEy!” I’m glad Ole is putting his position out there intelligently rather than the mess Jose had become. I’m sure Ole is frustrated seeing our rivals getting their business done early especially when he’s probably let Ed know of his desired targets months before the season ended. The Sancho deal is complicated but there’s no reason why we can’t focus on other signings but unfortunately the investment banker who leads our negotiations doesn’t think from a footballing perspective.
A little bit much theory on salary here.
He's still getting paid at Dortmund, so it's not like he's getting nothing if we "save" a month.
Plus our high-end contracts usually involve bonuses depending on factors such as availability/if they play that week, score goals or other things. I'm sure there are factors for off-season to still allow them to trigger some bonus, but he'd still need to be at the club for that to happen. Plus even if it's the yearly salary they agree on (per season?) it's not like he'll be paid more for his time that year if he joins in January for 4.5 years than the August before for 5 years. It would (likely) be X is the yearly salary, which amounts to Y in weekly payments, but there is only Z left of the year so the player would only get paid (X ÷ Z) * Y = salary this year
See now I'm theorizing as well.
TLDR: I do believe the club technically saves some money if the target joins later, but it's rarely a factor since you want the player settled and comfortable as soon as possible when he can join the team. (Which in this case Jadon kinda can't until we finish the EL.)
He's still getting paid at Dortmund, so it's not like he's getting nothing if we "save" a month.
Plus our high-end contracts usually involve bonuses depending on factors such as availability/if they play that week, score goals or other things. I'm sure there are factors for off-season to still allow them to trigger some bonus, but he'd still need to be at the club for that to happen. Plus even if it's the yearly salary they agree on (per season?) it's not like he'll be paid more for his time that year if he joins in January for 4.5 years than the August before for 5 years. It would (likely) be X is the yearly salary, which amounts to Y in weekly payments, but there is only Z left of the year so the player would only get paid (X ÷ Z) * Y = salary this year
See now I'm theorizing as well.
TLDR: I do believe the club technically saves some money if the target joins later, but it's rarely a factor since you want the player settled and comfortable as soon as possible when he can join the team. (Which in this case Jadon kinda can't until we finish the EL.)
Well done Boss. Always thought that critics about him being some kind of puppet are ridiculous. The man cleared half of our dressing room when he could have taken an easier route.
One thing is what he says to the press most of the times not complaining much and it is obvious that another is what he is actually doing. Also, he knows this is the year that will make or break his plans.
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