Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

[laughtersassassin]

I'd say this is dead in the water and we are now spending the Sancho money elsewhere. Devestating as we will definitely regret missing out on him or we do.

If we do miss out on him we need to wrap him up for next season. He is too good to let go to a rival. We will regret it.

 

[Judas]

It’s obviously not dead in the water

 

[SATA]

It’s obviously not dead in the water

Not even sure why are the doom mongers still here if they think it's dead in the water other than to stupidly preach something that we do not have actual information of other than being 50-50 still at this point of time

 

[laughtersassassin]

It’s obviously not dead in the water

So you think there is not a possibility that we have decided to move on and spend the money elsewhere? I'm not saying it's definitely the case but out of nowhere we are buying VDB and linked to Upacamano and Thiago and a week ago we where only linked to Sancho.

It's possible this is us spending the money elsewhere.

 

[Cassidy]

So you think there is not a possibility that we have decided to move on and spend the money elsewhere? I'm not saying it's definitely the case but out of nowhere we are buying VDB and linked to Upacamano and Thiago and a week ago we where only linked to Sancho.

It's possible this is us spending the money elsewhere.

Considering we keep briefing he is the no1 target. I would say this isnt dead. Also considering there is no serious link to any other RW

 

[Alemar]

It's possible this is us spending the money elsewhere.

It is also possible that owners decided to invest in Sancho plus 3-4 other players in order to stop fighting for top 4 and begin to challenge for something higher than that

 

[RUCK4444]

It is also possible that owners decided to invest in Sancho plus 3-4 other players in order to stop fighting for top 4 and begin to challenge for something higher than that

God that's my hope.

 

[The Purley King]

Imagine we get Sancho, VDB, Thiago and Upamecano............
I'd quite happily stop muppeting for the next 3 years if that happened this summer.

 

[Joseunited]

It is also possible that owners decided to invest in Sancho plus 3-4 other players in order to stop fighting for top 4 and begin to challenge for something higher than that

It's also possible that transfers out will cover the 3/4 coming in leaving the original budget for Sancho.
I have a feeling this is going to be an exciting 3 to 4 weeks ahead of us.

 

[RUCK4444]

This isn't dead until we get that briefing that we've pulled out. Until then the negative nancy's should just avoid the thread.

All those in favour say aye

 

[El-Manos]

This isn't dead until we get that briefing that we've pulled out. Until then the negative nancy's should just avoid the thread.

All those in favour say aye

Aye

 

[Cassidy]

This isn't dead until we get that briefing that we've pulled out. Until then the negative nancy's should just avoid the thread.

All those in favour say aye

Aye

 

[Chief123]

I'd say this is dead in the water and we are now spending the Sancho money elsewhere. Devestating as we will definitely regret missing out on him or we do.

If we do miss out on him we need to wrap him up for next season. He is too good to let go to a rival. We will regret it.

It’s obviously not dead in the water

Not even sure why are the doom mongers still here if they think it's dead in the water other than to stupidly preach something that we do not have actual information of other than being 50-50 still at this point of time

It’s strange logic to assume it’s dead in the water after signing VDB. I would be more inclined to say it’s dead in the water if we just signed Grealish for £70m.

The VDB deal makes me believe the Sancho deal is still very much on.

People didn’t honestly think all of our money was being saved up for the Sancho deal did they?

 

[Member 101269]

Imagine we get Sancho, VDB, Thiago and Upamecano............
I'd quite happily stop muppeting for the next 3 years if that happened this summer.

Only if Phil, pink slippers, Jones goes.. and a few others

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

Why are people saying Grealish would mean no Sancho? Grealish is an attacking midfielder who also plays wide left, Sancho is a winger who plays both side. The only thing they have in common is they can both play left wing, but the area we are desperate to strengthen is right wing. Grealish has never played right wing. If Grealish is our alternative to Sancho as a RW then we are thick as pigs shit.

 

[Womp]

Why are people saying Grealish would mean no Sancho? Grealish is an attacking midfielder who also plays wide left, Sancho is a winger who plays both side. The only thing they have in common is they can both play left wing, but the area we are desperate to strengthen is right wing. Grealish has never played right wing.

Because if we sign one, we won't be able to afford the other

 

[Bilbo]

There are really only two possible scenarios here. Well, perhaps three, but the third is far less likely than the other two:

• Scenario 1 is simply that United have given up on him. We want him but we cant afford it.
• Scenario 2, and what I personally believe is happening and have done so for weeks now, is that the two clubs are playing a bluff/counterbluff game. We wont pay the asking price for him but our belief is that Dortmund need this transfer to happen to balance the books, so if we wait long enough and convince them that €120m is out of the question, they will then begin to soften and call us back to the table. I think the transfer still happens for something in excess of €100m (but only barely), but the structure of the transfer will be much more favourable to United
• Scenario 3, and quite unlikely, is that a deal is already done but the clubs have agreed to wait for Dortmund to do their own shopping and United to sell some fringe players before its announced

 

[Mike Smalling]

Why are people saying Grealish would mean no Sancho? Grealish is an attacking midfielder who also plays wide left, Sancho is a winger who plays both side. The only thing they have in common is they can both play left wing, but the area we are desperate to strengthen is right wing. Grealish has never played right wing.

Probably because Grealish will be really expensive, and people think it is unlikely that we will spend big on two separate forward players?

 

[SATA]

It’s strange logic to assume it’s dead in the water after signing VDB. I would be more inclined to say it’s dead in the water if we just signed Grealish for £70m.

The VDB deal makes me believe the Sancho deal is still very much on.

People didn’t honestly think all of our money was being saved up for the Sancho deal did they?

I for one don't think we are going to sign Thiago which is purely paper talk and we just signed Donny. It's now Sancho all in the basket next and that will be our summer ins done. Dayot it depends on a lot of factors like our ability to sell off our deadwood defenders and whether Leipzig want to sell which is hard to see at the moment

 

[AaronRedDevil]

It’s obvious they haven’t pulled out. Might need to sell players first before they buy a very expensive player and still be stuck with the deadwood. Bad for business in the long term.

 

[Pexbo]

If we are still in for him, I‘m happy with our apparent strategy of setting a limit on what we will spend on him and not let it impact our ability to strengthen in other areas.

As important as the RW position is, with Greenwood doing a job there for now, getting in DVB to replace Lingard and Periera, a CB to challenge for the spot next to Maguire and a LB to challenge Shaw would be a much better window than spunking it all on Sancho. I think the former would net us more points than the latter.

 

[TheNewEra]

Why are people saying Grealish would mean no Sancho? Grealish is an attacking midfielder who also plays wide left, Sancho is a winger who plays both side. The only thing they have in common is they can both play left wing, but the area we are desperate to strengthen is right wing. Grealish has never played right wing. If Grealish is our alternative to Sancho as a RW then we are thick as pigs shit.

Grealish is off the table now, he's quoted at too high a price, and VDB means no Grealish.

Uniteds primary targets look to be Sancho, Thiago, Upamecano now.

The outlay on Grealish could factiliate a move for Thiago and Upamecano, so it's a complete no-brainer.

Two immediate improvements to the squad to challenge on all players, versus a player that has "The English Tax" and "The United Tax" meaning he's £80M for a £50M player.

Grealish is a great player, but he isn't Thiago & Upamecano, if it's next summer I can see someone like Grealish, this window unless something changes significantly in his pricing he just won't be an option.

I was watching Moneyball the other day a film based on baseball in which Oakland Athletics couldn't compete with the Yankees in the 90s, they opted to go for smart transfers split over players who would give them the same 'expected goals' essentially, but over 3 players statistically than just one.

United having VDB and Thiago would be the same outlay but would be better in multiple areas arguably.

VDB was apparently going to be a Madrid player pre-covid, Thiago was apparently Liverpool bound, but since they are both somewhat available, it's definitely not worth focusing on Grealish and having tunnel vision, especially if their expected returns would be higher than Grealish.

Grealish is a player you'd arguably throw on if you needed to change styles, VDB and Thiago offer different styles in their lockers without changing personnel, I think Grealish was the option to be a ball carrier from the midfield.

 

[Chief123]

I for one don't think we are going to sign Thiago which is purely paper talk and we just signed Donny. It's now Sancho all in the basket next and that will be our summer ins done. Dayot it depends on a lot of factors like our ability to sell off our deadwood defenders and whether Leipzig want to sell which is hard to see at the moment

Agree, I don’t see us in for Thiago (or not much conviction to get him). The only reason we would get him is cause he’s cheap. But I feel it’s more agent using our name.

Sancho priority is still huge.

In Thigao’s position we have Matic, Fred, Mctominay and VDB (on occasions).

In RW we have Greenwood (who is filling the hole and not a specialist) and James as backup. Most definitely need a Sancho there.

 

[lsd]

Considering we keep briefing he is the no1 target. I would say this isnt dead. Also considering there is no serious link to any other RW

We don't keep briefing anything about him . Even the media rumours have died down on him .

 

[TheNewEra]

Agree, I don’t see us in for Thiago (or not much conviction to get him). The only reason we would get him is cause he’s cheap. But I feel it’s more agent using our name.

Sancho priority is still huge.

In Thigao’s position we have Matic, Fred, Mctominay and VDB (on occasions).

In RW we have Greenwood (who is filling the hole and not a specialist) and James as backup. Most definitely need a Sancho there.

You have to wonder why Galatasaray are bidding for Fred though?

According to Metro (not a very reliable source) but the one credible thing is, Fred liked a picture of a Galatasary fan account about a potential transfer to Turkey.

The Brazilian (Fred) ‘liked’ a picture from Galatasaray fan account ‘Yellow Red Report’ on Instagram which stated: ‘Galatasaray is interested in hiring the midfielder of Manchester United, Fred, during this summer’s transfer window.’

Why is Fred liking a picture if he's in United plans? no player would put Turkey ahead of United.

Fred is most likely going to be sold to raise funds for a player like Thiago.

Lingard, Smalling, Pereira are all on their way out too in my opinion.

 

[GJNJ]

This isn't dead until we get that briefing that we've pulled out. Until then the negative nancy's should just avoid the thread.

All those in favour say aye

Aye

 

[red thru&thru]

You have to wonder why Galatasaray are bidding for Fred though?

According to Metro (not a very reliable source) but the one credible thing is, Fred liked a picture of a Galatasary fan account about a potential transfer to Turkey.

Why is Fred liking a picture if he's in United plans? no player would put Turkey ahead of United.

Fred is most likely going to be sold to raise funds for a player like Thiago.

Lingard, Smalling, Pereira are all on their way out too in my opinion.

I believe Fred has got better with time at United have been impressed with him. But the question we have to ask ourselves is, has he hit the heights that we expected of him? Is he what we need moving forward?

 

[drmuji]

This isn't dead until we get that briefing that we've pulled out. Until then the negative nancy's should just avoid the thread.

All those in favour say aye

Aye Aye Captain

 

[DarkDog]

Uhm no. Chelsea hasn't spent much in two years and they have a sugar daddy. Everyone has been affected by Covid. Basically regardless of your business your income/revenues just drop, sometime dramatically. And it'll continue. If the Glazers refuse to strengthen I'll be among the first to slam them. But €120m is a lot of money, even in normal circumstances

Covid is just a good excuse for Glazers. Do you watch NFL? Covid is also a problem there, that doesn't stop Tampa Bay from spending money like crazy. Glazers have set up a system of 100 mil budget for us. Sell players then you can spend more money. Tampa Bay is their baby, AND even Tampa has been held back by them for years.

About Chelsea , they bought Pulisic and Kovacic EVEN with their tranfer ban. season before that made Kepa the most expensive goalkeeper and bought Jorginho. Maybe someone more who i can't remember right now. the so-called Sugar Daddy hasn't spend his own money on Chelsea for a couple of years because of the issues that he has been having with the government. Before those issues arose he was trying to relocate Chelsea to Battersea, those talks are now stopped, rumors were speading that he even was trying to sell the club. BUT the key issue is that Chelsea can spend ALL the money that they make. Unlike us, because of the restrictions the owners have set on the club. I am sad to say, but Chelsea, Man City, Tottenham, Leicester, Liverpool are for sure better run football club. The only thing that is keeping us competing is us, the fans. Because of the amazing fanbase that we have Glazers can make money and we can still buy players.
Best comparison is that City's owners have put 1bn into Man City at the same time our owners have took out 1 bn from our club. Have you seen the state of Old Trafford? Our academy needs investment. City and Chelsea academies are making money for their first team, that is now part of their business. Those problems that we have are not because of covid mate.

 

[christinaa]

Aye aye aye

 

[Adamsk7]

We’d get 30 million for Fred I think and then you’ve gotta think....we could stick that money directly on either Upamecano, Thiago or make Sancho viable. All three would improve our first 11 which is better than having Fred on the bench

 

[Chief123]

You have to wonder why Galatasaray are bidding for Fred though?

According to Metro (not a very reliable source) but the one credible thing is, Fred liked a picture of a Galatasary fan account about a potential transfer to Turkey.

Why is Fred liking a picture if he's in United plans? no player would put Turkey ahead of United.

Fred is most likely going to be sold to raise funds for a player like Thiago.

Lingard, Smalling, Pereira are all on their way out too in my opinion.

If it’s the case we do sell Fred, then Thiago is a perfect replacement. But buying Thiago with our current quota of midfielders wouldn’t make as much sense. If it’s a case of straight swap for Fred and financially it’s a net £0 or even profit then it would be a great deal.

However, I do think liverpool will clinch him and he would choose them over us due to where he is in his career right now.

Having said that, he was very eager to join us when we had Moyes. He even requested his agent to check whether there was still an opportunity at Utd when he was about to sign for Bayern.

 

[TheNewEra]

If it’s the case we do sell Fred, then Thiago is a perfect replacement. But buying Thiago with our current quota of midfielders wouldn’t make as much sense. If it’s a case of straight swap for Fred and financially it’s a net £0 or even profit then it would be a great deal.

However, I do think liverpool will clinch him and he would choose them over us due to where he is in his career right now.

Having said that, he was very eager to join us when we had Moyes. He even requested his agent to check whether there was still an opportunity at Utd when he was about to sign for Bayern.

He'd want £250K plus a week I think, and the transfer fee too, if goes to Liverpool then Bayern need to agree either

• 'Loan with obligation to buy' which Bayern won't do.
• Lower the transfer fee (Bayern would rather keep him an extra year and let him leave on a free).
• Liverpool pay the fee (they can't afford that + agent fees).

Or, Thiago needs to:

• Not take a signing on bonus (no player would do that) especially moving to a 'big club'.
• Take equal or lesser wages than he is on at Bayern (he's in his prime, why would he do that?)

Bayern are not in a position where they need to sell Thiago, they are comfortably first in the Bundesliga, it's unlikely they'll win the CL next year, teams generally win one every 7 or so years on average (especially Bayern).

Whoever is the suitor for Bayern has to:

• Pay the 30M euros (A)
• Pay his 250k p/w wages (B)
• Potentially pay an agents fee (C)

Liverpool are unlikely to meet A, B and C, the whole Werner saga proved that, I thought the same as you did with Liverpool, I thought Thiago to Liverpool is a done deal.

They offered £10m for Jamal Lewis, Liverpool are looking for bargains still, there's a reason why they aren't spending big money.

 

[Chief123]

He'd want £250K plus a week I think, and the transfer fee too, if goes to Liverpool then Bayern need to agree either

• 'Loan with obligation to buy' which Bayern won't do.
• Lower the transfer fee (Bayern would rather keep him an extra year and let him leave on a free).
• Liverpool pay the fee (they can't afford that + agent fees).

Or, Thiago needs to:

• Not take a signing on bonus (no player would do that) especially moving to a 'big club'.
• Take equal or lesser wages than he is on at Bayern (he's in his prime, why would he do that?)

Bayern are not in a position where they need to sell Thiago, they are comfortably first in the Bundesliga, it's unlikely they'll win the CL next year, teams generally win one every 7 or so years on average (especially Bayern).

Whoever is the suitor for Bayern has to:

• Pay the 30M euros (A)
• Pay his 250k p/w wages (B)
• Potentially pay an agents fee (C)

Liverpool are unlikely to meet A, B and C, the whole Werner saga proved that.

The loan with option to buy probably wouldn’t exist as it would take him to the end of his contract. He only has a year left.

 

[Leonzo1]

What's the deal with the "it's on until we brief otherwise" nonsense? I want this deal to happen as much as everyone and I also believe it's not dead yet but people are repeating this idea non stop based on what? Its thrown out 12 times per page as if it's the God's honest truth.

 

[RUCK4444]

He'd want £250K plus a week I think, and the transfer fee too, if goes to Liverpool then Bayern need to agree either

• 'Loan with obligation to buy' which Bayern won't do.
• Lower the transfer fee (Bayern would rather keep him an extra year and let him leave on a free).
• Liverpool pay the fee (they can't afford that + agent fees).

Or, Thiago needs to:

• Not take a signing on bonus (no player would do that) especially moving to a 'big club'.
• Take equal or lesser wages than he is on at Bayern (he's in his prime, why would he do that?)

Bayern are not in a position where they need to sell Thiago, they are comfortably first in the Bundesliga, it's unlikely they'll win the CL next year, teams generally win one every 7 or so years on average (especially Bayern).

Whoever is the suitor for Bayern has to:

• Pay the 30M euros (A)
• Pay his 250k p/w wages (B)
• Potentially pay an agents fee (C)

Liverpool are unlikely to meet A, B and C, the whole Werner saga proved that, I thought the same as you did with Liverpool, I thought Thiago to Liverpool is a done deal.

They offered £10m for Jamal Lewis, Liverpool are looking for bargains still, there's a reason why they aren't spending big money.

This bolded bit is where Woody comes into his own

 

[rotherham_red]

I think if we get Upamecano, then even though we can afford Sancho on top of the outlay for VdB and Upamecano, I'd say that we haven't been able to break Dortmund's resolve and aren't willing to meet that asking price.

However, I don't think the situation will change all that much next season. Barca and Real are still in the midst of expensive stadium renovations and full-scale fans won't be around until the season after at the earliest. Chelsea are stacked in those wide forward positions. I don't see Liverpool having the inclination to offer the financial package needed to bring him there. City is obviously not a goer, especially if Pep stays on (which, he most likely will, especially with Messi most likely being there) - though this could change if Pep did leave. And finally Bayern are also stacked in those positions.

Even if there is an auction situation next year, we will (as we did this year) push the hardest. But if I was to compare it to any recent deal, it'll be the Bayern-Sane deal, where we went in for him one year but missed out and then picked him up the year after, though obviously it'll be for the £100m+ that Dortmund are wanting.

Maybe Woodward and Judge will prove me wrong and get this deal over the line at the end of this window also, but we haven't spent beyond 148m€ ever under the Glazers and I don't see them breaking that habit any time soon...

 

[TheNewEra]

I think if we get Upamecano, then even though we can afford Sancho on top of the outlay for VdB and Upamecano, I'd say that we haven't been able to break Dortmund's resolve and aren't willing to meet that asking price.

However, I don't think the situation will change all that much next season. Barca and Real are still in the midst of expensive stadium renovations and full-scale fans won't be around until the season after at the earliest. Chelsea are stacked in those wide forward positions. I don't see Liverpool having the inclination to offer the financial package needed to bring him there. City is obviously not a goer, especially if Pep stays on (which, he most likely will, especially with Messi most likely being there) - though this could change if Pep did leave. And finally Bayern are also stacked in those positions.

Even if there is an auction situation next year, we will (as we did this year) push the hardest. But if I was to compare it to any recent deal, it'll be the Bayern-Sane deal, where we went in for him one year but missed out and then picked him up the year after, though obviously it'll be for the £100m+ that Dortmund are wanting.

Maybe Woodward and Judge will prove me wrong and get this deal over the line at the end of this window also, but we haven't spent beyond 148m€ ever under the Glazers and I don't see them breaking that habit any time soon...

The Chevrolet deal is due to expire next year, United have already signed a shirt-sleeve deal with Kohler with £20m a year, for the shirt sponsor itself for United to attract the right offers they need to be successful on the pitch which a lot of sponsors will be reserved about given the last 7 years trajectory under the Chevrolet deal.

Nothing is signed yet for the shirt deal and obviously there'll have to be assurances over the squad and where Manchester United see themselves on field as well as off the pitch in terms of the brand.

For commercial reasons United need to spend big too, assuming the Glazers will see it as part of their brand and commercial value to have big players, the 148m will be broken in my opinion.

 

[Vault Dweller]

It’s obviously not dead in the water

They aren't seasoned muppets, bro.

 

[Rolaholic]

The Athletic claim that negotations have been 'exhausting' but that the club still has hope a deal can be struck as of yesterday

You'd think if it really was dead in the water we'd have moved on by now but apparently not yet...