I think Sancho wants the move but is scared to initiate anything publicly just in-case it all goes tits up and United cant afford the fee.
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So it looks like it was actually us(Chelsea) who walked away from a Sancho move, just like I've always suspected. €50m for an agent on top of Dortmund's €140m rumoured valuation in January before Covid is crazy anyway you look at it. For those values alone I'm not fussed at all that we moved on. Some Chelsea fans can't seem to wrap their heads around it though, they think Sancho is just £18m away from Havertz but as it turns out things are much more complicated than that (larger upfront fee, agent fees and Sancho’s obviously hugh potential wage demands).
Wouldn't mind at all if United gets him.
Wouldn't mind at all if United gets him.
Yes yes you believe that if it makes you feel better when there is no one credible source to absolutely prove it
So now people started to believe 50 million agent fee?
Do people think we will still sign him?
Arsene Wenger nearly bought him, but pulled out when it meant he’d lose his 50% off at Pizza Express.
We pay up the 108M in the structure Dortmund wants, he is ours. None of that agent fees bollocks. Personal terms were apparently even already agreed which are also part of the commission of what his agent wants in this deal
''This climate'' is load of bull being fed to you by the Edward and Glazer PR. Snap out of it lad.
Chelsea have bought Malang Sarr and Thiago Silva, Werner for 55 mil, Chilwell 50 mil, Zyiech for 40 mil, Havertz for nearly 100 mil and also want to add Rice.
Even Napoli spent 70 mil on Osimhen
City bought Nathan Ake for 40 mil
Our transfer budget last year was 100 mil, even though none of the fans believed it. It was not because of the ''climate'', it was because of the restrictions the Glazers put on ourselves. Glazers, not the climate. Same is this year, the same will be next year.
Bruno deal in January only happened because of the mood that the club was in after the Burnley game. I believe it was the worst feeling the fans have had towards Edward and the owners in a long time. Culminating with some random dudes' house being set a light. After that Edward moved pretty quickly and bought Bruno. He can move very quickly when board gave the money. I still believe that they would not have bought Bruno if those things would not have happened
It is sad that when we want to see ambition we have to go full muppet and do those things, first we have to feel like shite, then burn twitter, caf and house down and then we see some ''ambition'' from the owners and Edward.
If the VDB deal doesn't have a last second hitch, thats £40m gone.
If United genuinely want Upcameano (or another CB) and want to pounce this Summer to avoid a bidding war next summer, that's another £40-50m gone.
So in that scenario circa £80m+ spent, so far £0 in.
If they happen, Be hard to see us spending so much, especially in a Covid environment. Either way it'll drag into next month - only way we have a chance is if we sell all the players we have on sale & then the Glazers let us take a bit of money from next season's budget.
It’s super important for James to step up if we don’t sign any wide players this summer.
That's what I am thinking. If we sign another player for £40m then we are approaching our budget surely?
Maybe we tried to get Sancho, remember we tried to pay £80m upfront and that was rejected which may mean we had £80m to spend this summer without sales. So, instead of signing one player, we are looking at squad?
If we sign a CB, surely Rojo, Jones, Smalling have to go. We have Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly, Tuanzebe already.
If we can ship 5/6 players out and get 3 players including Sancho, it would be a perfect summer.
Article on the Express report is dated January 4, 2020. That's on Ian McGrath reporting than Chelsea were quoted €120m by Dortmund when we enquired about Sancho. Quiet the coincidence that its the same reported figure Dortmund are demanding from United, especially after they came out saying there was no ‘Covid discount’, meaning whatever valuation they held for Sancho before Covid still holds, which is €120m.
Same January 4, 2020 report suggests we were quoted €50m as agent fees by Sancho’s agent to get the deal done, which sounds like something the agent wouldn't even bother with if his client (Sancho) wasn't open to the move.
Now I know people pick and choose which reports to believe in according to how it makes them feel, but €120m valuation from a supposedly not credible report in January turning out to be the same valuation from Dortmund in August is too big a coincidence to ignore.
Which is exactly what you're doing
No guarantees for any talent to reach any level. But if they do reach that incredible level, the club that gets their best years' chances of success rise rapidly and those that miss out have to do with far lesser players in that position. I think 120 million is a lot of money too. But in today's market it's only a little above his evaluation considering the prices of Coutinho, Dembele, Felix , Griezmann, Hazard and old Ronaldo in the pre covid market. Adjusted for our near decade long wait for a proper RW and it's there or thereabouts.
If we can't afford him then we can't afford him. But my stance is that I'd take him over a CB plus LB or other such combinations as I think he adds more to this team and football club.
I keep coming back to this thread with the faint hope of any positive news at all but it's just muppets doing their best to convince themselves that we still have a chance.
I think we have around a 0.5% chance of getting him this summer.
Is the pope a catholic who wears a funny hat?
I always wonder how so-called journalists and so-called papers/ rags are able to stay alive spouting nonsense year after year. An article suddenly is a «rumor», although it’s actually a lie, invented by some greasy hack in front of a computer. Player A to club B, fee C millions. No truth, 100% fabrication.
After reading your post, now I understand why the abovementiod happens. People are idiots, people are gullible, they eat what’s in front of them. Year after year. No offence, well actually, offence. And Donald Trump is president, I need to move deep into the forest where there are no people.
@Mount's Goatieson you are quoting the express. That tabloid is known for publishing made up rumours we came up with here in the caf for shits and giggles as actual stories
They wouldn't love to see their bank account growing with more than 100m? Dude....wake up
This is what I have been noticing over the last 2 weeks. Alot of signs that we are walking away from the deal, yet so much belief that we will sign him.
There will be alot of broken people in October.
This one's been very quiet lately; are people still confident?
Should I be surprised that you picked my post to spill your distaste of human gullibility, after 835 pages of this thread?
Nope!
Lord help us if we’re pinning our hopes on James.
You need to get this shite out of here. Of all things you quote me the Express?
Even if the agent was demanding 50m there's no way he would get that on top of a transfer fee. Only if he was a free agent would he get that sort of extra cash.
We'd be better off pinning a tail on him.
I know, we are all guilty of it of course. Muppetry and all that. I just find those similarity in valuation quiet interesting and informative about our(Chelsea) stance on Sancho. Maybe those reports were actually credible? Maybe Chelsea actually did walk away from Sancho?
The world doesn't end if some people bring themselves to accept those are possibilities. Doesn't make Sancho less of the player he is.
Fairly yes. It seems Utd want to work on other deals first to avoid letting this Sancho saga drag too long to avoid making other signings so it may stay silent for a small while as a result. Once we get a CB and if our apparent opportunistic interest in Thiago bears fruit we`ll hear more noise on Sancho. It was a deal that was always going to go right down the wire.
Another poster provide the link to the report on here, I just read it and provided my opinions based on what I knew in Chelsea quarters around that time (January window). Express might be a poor source, but as the old saying goes...“even a broken clock is right twice a day”. There have been some well know credible journalists working for questionable papers.
I knew Chelsea walked away from the Sancho deal, long before I saw this link in here this morning. I thought it just threw more light on why that was so.
Uhm no. Chelsea hasn't spent much in two years and they have a sugar daddy. Everyone has been affected by Covid. Basically regardless of your business your income/revenues just drop, sometime dramatically. And it'll continue. If the Glazers refuse to strengthen I'll be among the first to slam them. But €120m is a lot of money, even in normal circumstances
This is what alot fail to understand. This is one of the most expensive deals, we have become so used to seing £70-80m being dropped by teams that now £108m seems like nothing. It is alot of money. They have probably looked at Coutinho, Dembele, Felix and seen how they have fared since making the big move. It is a big risk to spend that money.
Obviously, I hope we get the player but also it is alot of money.
If we're serious about Thiago and Upamecano, we won't be getting Sancho this window.
We'd have to raise significant funds through sales, and we don't have the players currently in the window to do that.
We'd have to raise significant funds through sales, and we don't have the players currently in the window to do that.
This is what I think, maybe we’ve just moved on and decided to fill other gaps, and maybe even go back next summer.
And that would be fine as long as we actually manage to get these other players.
So now you're going to believe every article just in case they're right on the odd occasion? You're trying very hard to justify your stance on this which is built on a paper known to brazenly bullshit on a daily basis.
Our window wasn`t Sancho or bust though as its been clear our priorities are CB, CAM and RW this summer(I`m still not sure we`ll get Thiago an opportunistic buy maybe but he`ll go to LFC IMO)
VDB is our CAM signing and we chose him as he`s cheaper than Grealish/Maddison and it seems Upa is our CB target and we all know Sancho is our RW target. Truth of the matter is nobody except Ole/Woodward/Glazers know what our budget is but if they had planned to deal with those 3 positions with the inclusion of Sancho then they had financially budgeted for it as they always do before the window starts so it would be silly to speculate that us actually filling other positions first before RW is an indication Sancho`s deal is dead
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