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Very quiet amongst the journalists again. I was hoping for more action than this, this morning.
 

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For anyone doubting that we'll hit 1000 pages.. We did 35 in 24 hours after news that we pretty much already knew.. Imagine when it comes out that we've agreed a fee. We'll probably hit 2000.
It’ll hit 2,000, but half of them will be after the window has closed and it gets bumped after every Dortmund game with pages of either “see he wasn’t worth it” or “goddamit Woody he should be doing that for us”.
 

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Depends on whether you believe only Romano who says this has been the case for a while. I for one don't believe him, I think he guessed they were and is willing to die on that hill, yesterday the club clearly briefed dozens of press outlets that there had been a breakthrough on those personal terms and agent fees.

So again, it depends who you believe. Many will blindly follow their shepherd like sheep.
I more inclined to believe that personal terms were already agreed (they usually get done fairly quickly), but the agent fee was the sticking point.
 

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This will be concluded one way or another in the next 2 weeks. I doubt Dortmund will sell 2 weeks before the window closes, they need a replacement.
 

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I'm completely dumb on this topic, but from my 5 minutes of internet research, how does amortisation of transfer fees apply to the balance sheet? Again, i'm a complete dumbass, but say VDB is 40 million on a 4 year contract, doesn't that show on our balance sheet as 10 million spent this this financial period?
Yes that's basically how it works. Costs are recognised over the period to which they relate. Although there may be a $40m cash outlay upfront, an asset of the same amount is added to the balance sheet. The cost is then spread over the life of the asset.

I am not completely sure how football clubs account for players and contract lengths etc though. That's just on a basic transaction. Hope that explains to some extent but let me know if now and ill try and go in to a bit more detail :)

Bottom line is, what you see going through the profit and loss account doesn't truly represent the impact on the cash position.

Again, i haven't looked at United's figures so i have no idea what they show!
 

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Thing is what do United gain by putting it out there that wages and agent fees are agreed? I can't see it making Dortmund soften their stance on the asking price so what advantage do United have by briefing the press of this fact?
Yes but you could argue why do the club make these briefings at all, they usually say one thing and mean another, but IMO this one was genuine and perhaps leaked from the agent and then confirmed by the club when press checked their sources.

You could also argue it helps move things along if fans understanding is that Sancho has agreed to make the move and effectively wants to leave.
 

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Very quiet amongst the journalists again. I was hoping for more action than this, this morning.
There's really nothing much to update now anymore. The next update should be when 'both clubs have agreed a fee for Jadon Sancho'. Let's hope it's a matter of hours rather than days!
 

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The transfer seems to be at a very delicate crossroads in my opinion.

If United finally get their man in one or two weeks, for the exact sum Dortmund wanted all along - €120m - there will be lots of people slating Ed and colleagues for not paying up on time, penny-pinching, and squandering valuable preseason preparation time. After all, despite all the posturing for several weeks, they would have managed to get a zero discount, paid-up exactly what Dortmund wanted, and allowed no time for Sancho to adapt to the new environment before the new season. The board's negotiation skills will be oppugned again, especially that other English teams are buying players for much less than the players' (apparent) market values.

If Dortmund sell Sancho for less than €120m, they'll be torn to shreds by their fans and the German media. The international media will be happy to ramp the narrative that they are just a feeder selling club without any real ambition. And they won't' have enough time to find a suitable (value-for-money) replacement either, with the Bundesliga season starting in 9 days. After all, they could have sold Sancho five or six weeks ago, recruited one or two top players with that money, and started afresh.

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Dortmund want to sell their asset for 120m asap. United want to buy for less than 120m asap. Sancho wants to leave asap, but he hasn't handed a formal transfer request.

Which party will accede first?
Good post.

I think in the end we'll commit to pay the full 120m but over the course of 2-3 instalments and an additional 20m would be in the form of achievable add-ons.

Then, when all is said and done, we'll brief that we got a discount and Dortmund will brief they got their asking price with the truth being a shade of both.
 

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Very quiet amongst the journalists again. I was hoping for more action than this, this morning.

What are they going to update? They may have agreed a salary, but that is pointless if they are still too cheap to meet the asking price
 

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I more inclined to believe that personal terms were already agreed (they usually get done fairly quickly), but the agent fee was the sticking point.
Yeah I also suspect the agent fee was the issue. That's why I think the noise yesterday was leaked from the Sancho camp initially, as if to say 'we are all good our end' and then put the ball back in the the two clubs corner.
 

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No German news outlets are reporting as much as a sniff of this today.

Seems this latest development isn't the breakthrough the English media are touting it as :(
Yeah the Dortmund sub reddit is clinging to this. It's a good point, but it has them convinced he is staying there. Who knows.
 

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The transfer seems to be at a very delicate crossroads in my opinion.

If United finally get their man in one or two weeks, for the exact sum Dortmund wanted all along - €120m - there will be lots of people slating Ed and colleagues for not paying up on time, penny-pinching, and squandering valuable preseason preparation time. After all, despite all the posturing for several weeks, they would have managed to get a zero discount, paid-up exactly what Dortmund wanted, and allowed no time for Sancho to adapt to the new environment before the new season. The board's negotiation skills will be oppugned again, especially that other English teams are buying players for much less than the players' (apparent) market values.

If Dortmund sell Sancho for less than €120m, they'll be torn to shreds by their fans and the German media. The international media will be happy to ramp the narrative that they are just a feeder selling club without any real ambition. And they won't' have enough time to find a suitable (value-for-money) replacement either, with the Bundesliga season starting in 9 days. After all, they could have sold Sancho five or six weeks ago, recruited one or two top players with that money, and started afresh.

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Dortmund want to sell their asset for 120m asap. United want to buy for less than 120m asap. Sancho wants to leave asap, but he hasn't handed a formal transfer request.

Which party will accede first?
Valuable preseason time? United have been on holiday after the EL. We started training today. He's missed nothing.

By being at Dortmund he's had a full preseason and played in several friendlies. If they get him in the next few days the timing will have been basically perfection. The exact same applies to Donny.
 

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They agreed a deal with you. Maybe they already had weeks ago. But even if the break through occurred now, you're interpreting much into it. It's absolutely possible that the negotiations with Sancho's camp are absolutely independent from those with Dortmund.



If you make them an offer they can't refuse, obviously they will. But I doubt that number will be 120m now. I even doubt they'd sell for 130m at this point. You'd have to do something really crazy.

The alternative is that Dortmund bluffed and you correctly predicted it. I was completely sure that was impossible until yesterday and still lack the imagination that it might happen to be honest. The outrage of Dortmund fans would be similar to you selling Greenwood to Liverpool at this stage.
If the deal is really dead from Dortmund’s perspective why are discussions still taking place with Sancho’s agent and the intermediary agent Dortmund insisted we use? Agent fees agreed so presumably this means the intermediary’s fees are agreed as well.
 

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The transfer seems to be at a very delicate crossroads in my opinion.

If United finally get their man in one or two weeks, for the exact sum Dortmund wanted all along - €120m - there will be lots of people slating Ed and colleagues for not paying up on time, penny-pinching, and squandering valuable preseason preparation time. After all, despite all the posturing for several weeks, they would have managed to get a zero discount, paid-up exactly what Dortmund wanted, and allowed no time for Sancho to adapt to the new environment before the new season. The board's negotiation skills will be oppugned again, especially that other English teams are buying players for much less than the players' (apparent) market values.

If Dortmund sell Sancho for less than €120m, they'll be torn to shreds by their fans and the German media. The international media will be happy to ramp the narrative that they are just a feeder selling club without any real ambition. And they won't' have enough time to find a suitable (value-for-money) replacement either, with the Bundesliga season starting in 9 days. After all, they could have sold Sancho five or six weeks ago, recruited one or two top players with that money, and started afresh.

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Dortmund want to sell their asset for 120m asap. United want to buy for less than 120m asap. Sancho wants to leave asap, but he hasn't handed a formal transfer request.

Which party will accede first?
If both club finally agree the fees of 119m, I think it will solved all the problems - Man Utd got their top target for discounted price, and Dortmund finally sold Sancho for the almost the same price they’ve always wanted.
 

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Yes that's basically how it works. Costs are recognised over the period to which they relate. Although there may be a $40m cash outlay upfront, an asset of the same amount is added to the balance sheet. The cost is then spread over the life of the asset.

I am not completely sure how football clubs account for players and contract lengths etc though. That's just on a basic transaction. Hope that explains to some extent but let me know if now and ill try and go in to a bit more detail :)

Bottom line is, what you see going through the profit and loss account doesn't truly represent the impact on the cash position.

Again, i haven't looked at United's figures so i have no idea what they show!
Hey mate :) thanks for the breakdown.

So in a Sancho scenario of "120m euro up front"

and we have

Working Capital and Liquidity As of 31 March 2020, the Company had £90.3m of cash balances together with access to an additional £150m available under the Company’s revolving credit facility. This provides financial flexibility to support the Club through the disruption caused by COVID-19.
There would be "upfront cost" of 108m pounds (potentially), but the accounts would report this as (potentially) 108 million pounds over a 5 year contract? Also accounting for what we've spent on VDB, it's (potentially) 60 million pounds cash in hand with 150 mil in revolving credit?

So hypothetically, is an upfront fee even possible or it would all come down to a structured deal?
 

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Valuable preseason time? United have been on holiday after the EL. We started training today. He's missed nothing.

By being at Dortmund he's had a full preseason and played in several friendlies. If they get him in the next few days the timing will have been basically perfection. The exact same applies to Donny.
There are players who need a pre-season to get up and running with the way a club plays, get to know the team and get used to the style of play. Others, like Bruno, come in and impose their style on the team and it the ground running, even when joining in the middle of a season. I reckon Sancho is going to be more of the latter (he knows the area, knows many of his team mates & played with them on international duty and is going into a position where we've not had a specialty player in years so he has a low bar to clear to show improvement) and as long as he's match fit we don't need to worry about him settling.
 

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I know this is somewhat controversial, and lots of people will jump on my back but please, hear me out!

I think Sancho Day is actually a bit over-rated and I prefer Sancho Day's Eve.

Yes there is the constant F5 pressing, getting the important tweet from that Norwood guy, or following a motorcade into Carrington but I think it has become quite commercialised with Sky Bet sending out random contrary headlines to get numpties to bet in weird ways.

I actually prefer that rush of relaxed anticipation the night before.

You know the kids are tucked up waiting to see what Sancho will bring - the house is ready and you can just relax with a mince pie and a glass of Port and listen to Carols from Kings as they sing his praises and release multiple you tube skills compilations with euro-trip-hop-house music in the background for copyright reasons.

For me that's when I feel the true spirit of Sancho Day!
 

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How? Why? :lol:
Multiple reasons. 10 years ago Dortmund won two CL titles in a row and reached the CL final in the third. They beat Bayern for Reus' signature and the most promising German talent since Franz Beckenbauer, Mario Götze, said in an interview that he could imagine ending his career in Germany. The team was stacked with world class players in many positions: Besides Reus and Götze, there were Hummels, Lewandowski and Gündogan. Then, shortly before the CL final, it became public that Bayern had signed Götze for a laughable amount. As if that wasn't enough, they lost the final and then Bayern bought Hummels and Lewandowski in the following two seasons and constantly belittled the club publicly. So basically, when they were about to enter the top tier, they were shown their place and ever since were bullied by top clubs that signed their best players, at times with very questionable methods (Mkhitaryan, Dembele, Aubameyang). But they grew organically, improved season by season, always with the objective in mind of becoming one of the best clubs in Europe.

Now they're about to enter the top 10 European clubs regarding revenue. They've beaten one of the biggest clubs in the world for the signature of Haaland and amassed an incredible amount of talent with Sancho, Haaland, Reyna, Bellingham and Moukoko again. Now it looked like they'd lose Sancho in this window and logically Hoeneß had to taunt them with that, claiming that they'd never become a top club this way. Most Dortmund fans had made their peace with Sancho leaving but were annoyed with United's messing around. Then Zorc and Watzke drew a line and a real spirit emerged. Many Dortmund fans think that they are realistically able to hold on to the current bunch of talents for multiple years. It was a sign that they wouldn't allow top clubs bullying them any longer. Sancho has sort of become the personification of all that.

If they sell Sancho now, it'll not be recognized as a necessary thing but it'll be received as if they trolled their fans on purpose. They would have to bring up a very, very good reason for that. If they just accept the fee that was initially communicated +10m or something like that, this won't go down well. It'll be perceived as confirmation of their "minority complex". Especially now that they know that Sancho is contracted until 2023 and they could still sell them 2022. This will receive a shit storm worse than Götze and Hummels got, only that it is now directed towards the front men of their own club. Watzke and Zorc know this very well, so there would've been absolutely no point in ruling out a Sancho move that strictly if they didn't mean it. They could've just said a standard phrase or something like that and Dortmund fans would've been like "yeah, that's negotiation tactics but realistically there's no way he's staying".
 

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If the deal is really dead from Dortmund’s perspective why are discussions still taking place with Sancho’s agent and the intermediary agent Dortmund insisted we use? Agent fees agreed so presumably this means the intermediary’s fees are agreed as well.
Don't know. That may be an indication but in all honesty, that's not even remotely enough for me given the indications to the contrary.
 

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Multiple reasons. 10 years ago Dortmund won two CL titles in a row and reached the CL final in the third. They beat Bayern for Reus' signature and the most promising German talent since Franz Beckenbauer, Mario Götze, said in an interview that he could imagine ending his career in Germany. The team was stacked with world class players in many positions: Besides Reus and Götze, there were Hummels, Lewandowski and Gündogan. Then, shortly before the CL final, it became public that Bayern had signed Götze for a laughable amount. As if that wasn't enough, they lost the final and then Bayern bought Hummels and Lewandowski in the following two seasons and constantly belittled the club publicly. So basically, when they were about to enter the top tier, they were shown their place and ever since were bullied by top clubs that signed their best players, at times with very questionable methods (Mkhitaryan, Dembele, Aubameyang). But they grew organically, improved season by season, always with the objective in mind of becoming one of the best clubs in Europe.

Now they're about to enter the top 10 European clubs regarding revenue. They've beaten one of the biggest clubs in the world for the signature of Haaland and amassed an incredible amount of talent with Sancho, Haaland, Reyna, Bellingham and Moukoko again. Now it looked like they'd lose Sancho in this window and logically Hoeneß had to taunt them with that, claiming that they'd never become a top club this way. Most Dortmund fans had made their peace with Sancho leaving but were annoyed with United's messing around. Then Zorc and Watzke drew a line and a real spirit emerged. Many Dortmund fans think that they are realistically able to hold on to the current bunch of talents for multiple years. It was a sign that they wouldn't allow top clubs bullying them any longer. Sancho has sort of become the personification of all that.

If they sell Sancho now, it'll not be recognized as a necessary thing but it'll be received as if they trolled their fans on purpose. They would have to bring up a very, very good reason for that. If they just accept the fee that was initially communicated +10m or something like that, this won't go down well. It'll be perceived as confirmation of their "minority complex". Especially now that they know that Sancho is contracted until 2023 and they could still sell them 2022. This will receive a shit storm worse than Götze and Hummels got, only that it is now directed towards the front men of their own club. Watzke and Zorc know this very well, so there would've been absolutely no point in ruling out a Sancho move that strictly if they didn't mean it. They could've just said a standard phrase or something like that and Dortmund fans would've been like "yeah, that's negotiation tactics but realistically there's no way he's staying".
What if Sancho refuses to play or something like that.. not that I think that will happen, mind.
 

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I'm confused as to what breakthrough has been made. It seemed to always be the case that we only needed to cough up the full fee at this point on Dortmund's terms.
I don't think it's necessarily the reports that is suggesting a breakthrough, but rather the multitude of English journalists who had previously denied wages and agent fees had been agreed. Most are getting their information from the club, so for the club to now be feeding this news to the journalists would mean something has advanced.
 

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Multiple reasons. 10 years ago Dortmund won two CL titles in a row and reached the CL final in the third.
Pretty sure you mean BL not CL for those two titles!
 

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Multiple reasons. 10 years ago Dortmund won two CL titles in a row and reached the CL final in the third. They beat Bayern for Reus' signature and the most promising German talent since Franz Beckenbauer, Mario Götze, said in an interview that he could imagine ending his career in Germany. The team was stacked with world class players in many positions: Besides Reus and Götze, there were Hummels, Lewandowski and Gündogan. Then, shortly before the CL final, it became public that Bayern had signed Götze for a laughable amount. As if that wasn't enough, they lost the final and then Bayern bought Hummels and Lewandowski in the following two seasons and constantly belittled the club publicly. So basically, when they were about to enter the top tier, they were shown their place and ever since were bullied by top clubs that signed their best players, at times with very questionable methods (Mkhitaryan, Dembele, Aubameyang). But they grew organically, improved season by season, always with the objective in mind of becoming one of the best clubs in Europe.

Now they're about to enter the top 10 European clubs regarding revenue. They've beaten one of the biggest clubs in the world for the signature of Haaland and amassed an incredible amount of talent with Sancho, Haaland, Reyna, Bellingham and Moukoko again. Now it looked like they'd lose Sancho in this window and logically Hoeneß had to taunt them with that, claiming that they'd never become a top club this way. Most Dortmund fans had made their peace with Sancho leaving but were annoyed with United's messing around. Then Zorc and Watzke drew a line and a real spirit emerged. Many Dortmund fans think that they are realistically able to hold on to the current bunch of talents for multiple years. It was a sign that they wouldn't allow top clubs bullying them any longer. Sancho has sort of become the personification of all that.

If they sell Sancho now, it'll not be recognized as a necessary thing but it'll be received as if they trolled their fans on purpose. They would have to bring up a very, very good reason for that. If they just accept the fee that was initially communicated +10m or something like that, this won't go down well. It'll be perceived as confirmation of their "minority complex". Especially now that they know that Sancho is contracted until 2023 and they could still sell them 2022. This will receive a shit storm worse than Götze and Hummels got, only that it is now directed towards the front men of their own club. Watzke and Zorc know this very well, so there would've been absolutely no point in ruling out a Sancho move that strictly if they didn't mean it. They could've just said a standard phrase or something like that and Dortmund fans would've been like "yeah, that's negotiation tactics but realistically there's no way he's staying".
What? I must have been in a coma when that happened.
 

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Agreed. So what's the problem if Dortmund doesn't want to sell? or they want to sell at the price they want? Players weren't put at gunpoint to sign a 5 yrs contract. I don't like players (or his agent) act like a brat if they want to move. Would you like to see that happened at United?
Someone else has probably said this in the 934 pages but what I don’t get is why agree on personal terms so far in advance if the clubs are still far apart in their valuation of the player? Wouldn’t BD be pissed off that another club has agreed terms with their player? I understand that this happens all the time but it still strikes me as weird.
As far as I understand, Sancho and his agent can only agree personal terms with United only when Dortmund gives them a written consent to do so. If what the media are reporting is true, then it means Dortmund have given him that consent to agree terms, the fee would have been communicated to United as well. It is up to United to bid for the player based on Dortmund's valuation.

If however, its the case that Dortmund have not given the written consent, then the whole story is a lie. United can not blatantly breach FIFA rules on tapping up.Something is happening though.
 
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Are you for real ? We sign Mata who was you're POTY for 2 yrs running and based on his performances for you was worth it, and ok maybe matic was over priced and thats it. Where you take the has beens and give us money for nothing like with Mikel and even gave us 21.5 million in 03 for veron after he failed here and took on another failure here in Falcao or Bosnich and lest we forget how you cobbled up Sparky after AF stated he was passes it and sent him packing in 95 same with Donaghy.
Sparky was great for Chelsea at the time. I wasn't suggesting that Utd bought Chelseas cast offs but you couldn't say either of Mata or Matic have been huge successes. Chelsea made profits on those two and I was just suggesting that the Chelsea to Utd transfer path wasn't new. Mikel was a fantastic servant for the club and worth every penny although a number of Chelsea fans may unfairly disagree.

Yes, in years gone by Chelsea have bought Utd players on the wane but the tide has turned in recent years.
 

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Should be straight forward now if united want him.

United pay the asking price. Sancho tells Dortmund he wants to go. Deal done :)
 

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Would you want a player at Utd who has that attitude?
I wouldn't judge the player if the club refuses to sell them due to some overarching club goals. But wouldn't like it if the player does it to improve the bargaining power of the buyer club to bring the price down as it just shafts their current club.
 

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Multiple reasons. 10 years ago Dortmund won two CL titles in a row and reached the CL final in the third. They beat Bayern for Reus' signature and the most promising German talent since Franz Beckenbauer, Mario Götze, said in an interview that he could imagine ending his career in Germany. The team was stacked with world class players in many positions: Besides Reus and Götze, there were Hummels, Lewandowski and Gündogan. Then, shortly before the CL final, it became public that Bayern had signed Götze for a laughable amount. As if that wasn't enough, they lost the final and then Bayern bought Hummels and Lewandowski in the following two seasons and constantly belittled the club publicly. So basically, when they were about to enter the top tier, they were shown their place and ever since were bullied by top clubs that signed their best players, at times with very questionable methods (Mkhitaryan, Dembele, Aubameyang). But they grew organically, improved season by season, always with the objective in mind of becoming one of the best clubs in Europe.

Now they're about to enter the top 10 European clubs regarding revenue. They've beaten one of the biggest clubs in the world for the signature of Haaland and amassed an incredible amount of talent with Sancho, Haaland, Reyna, Bellingham and Moukoko again. Now it looked like they'd lose Sancho in this window and logically Hoeneß had to taunt them with that, claiming that they'd never become a top club this way. Most Dortmund fans had made their peace with Sancho leaving but were annoyed with United's messing around. Then Zorc and Watzke drew a line and a real spirit emerged. Many Dortmund fans think that they are realistically able to hold on to the current bunch of talents for multiple years. It was a sign that they wouldn't allow top clubs bullying them any longer. Sancho has sort of become the personification of all that.

If they sell Sancho now, it'll not be recognized as a necessary thing but it'll be received as if they trolled their fans on purpose. They would have to bring up a very, very good reason for that. If they just accept the fee that was initially communicated +10m or something like that, this won't go down well. It'll be perceived as confirmation of their "minority complex". Especially now that they know that Sancho is contracted until 2023 and they could still sell them 2022. This will receive a shit storm worse than Götze and Hummels got, only that it is now directed towards the front men of their own club. Watzke and Zorc know this very well, so there would've been absolutely no point in ruling out a Sancho move that strictly if they didn't mean it. They could've just said a standard phrase or something like that and Dortmund fans would've been like "yeah, that's negotiation tactics but realistically there's no way he's staying".
I think you're overstating things a bit. Everyone can see that even if he stays this summer Sancho will probably leave the next. They also know that Haaland or Bellingham won't end their careers in Dortmund either. It is true that the club has become more ambitious with their purchases, but in the end it all boils down to money and Dortmund is still a long way off being able to pay top wages and bar some deluded fans everyone understands what that means, it's less of a inferiority complex than it is just the simple reality.
I also think the importance of Hoeneß' comments is overstated. He likes to inject himself in popular narratives. E.g. boasting about that €2m loan that supposedly saved Dortmund just when they started to hurt Bayern on the pitch half a decade later. This is no different and to think his ramblings, especially now that he has become a relic of the past, are driving €100m+ transfers is naive.
In the end it boils to the fact that both their CEO and DoF made a promise, Selling Sancho now - even for €120m - would break that promise and everyone hates being lied to.
 

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Valuable preseason time? United have been on holiday after the EL. We started training today. He's missed nothing.

By being at Dortmund he's had a full preseason and played in several friendlies. If they get him in the next few days the timing will have been basically perfection. The exact same applies to Donny.
Perfection! :O
That is if you think the preseason begins only after the players are on the practice-fields. There's a lot of mental preparation, and there are lots of off-field preparations in every transfer.

You can't go to another city, another country, find a new house to live, get to know your new teammates, the new manager, the new coaching staff, the new team's playing style/tactics/playing-position, and dozens of other important off-field issues and then pretend nothing happened and start firing on all cylinders from day one, when the new English season begins in less than 48-hours, United's (and Dortmund's) next game is in 9 days, and Sancho doesn't even know which country he will live in, let alone which club!!

Like most of us normal human beings, footballers need a period to 'settle in'. I don't know about you, but I'd quite disturbed if had a huge job starting in 9 days, and then I was told that I would have to either live in Germany or in England and that they will be able to tell me only one or two days before the job actually begins.

Lots of transfers take place very late in the transfer window, but this is certainly not ideal from the players' or the clubs' perspective.
 

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What if Sancho refuses to play or something like that.. not that I think that will happen, mind.
Yeah, that might facilitate things but it most likely won't reduce the price. See Dembele. I don't believe they would sell Sancho for 120m if he would go on strike now. Maybe 130-140m. But as it stands, Sancho doesn't seem to bother enough to do so. He also won't risk the EC, I guess.

My guess is that they've communicated to him that he can leave next season for 120m until a certain deadline when he extended the contract. They felt obliged to negotiate for that reason but happily backtracked when the deadline was over. In order to make them rethink, you'd have to do something crazy. And considering that you apparently didn't even want to pay close to 120m, I still find it hard to imagine that you suddenly slam 130+m on the table.

I think you're overstating things a bit. Everyone can see that even if he stays this summer Sancho will probably leave the next. They also know that Haaland or Bellingham won't end their careers in Dortmund either. It is true that the club has become more ambitious with their purchases, but in the end it all boils down to money and Dortmund is still a long way off being able to pay top wages and bar some deluded fans everyone understands what that means, it's less of a inferiority complex than it is just the simple reality.
I also think the importance of Hoeneß' comments is overstated. He likes to inject himself in popular narratives. E.g. boasting about that €2m loan that supposedly saved Dortmund just when they started to hurt Bayern on the pitch half a decade later. This is no different and to think his ramblings, especially now that he has become a relic of the past, are driving €100m+ transfers is naive.
In the end it boils to the fact that both their CEO and DoF made a promise, Selling Sancho now - even for €120m - would break that promise and everyone hates being lied to.
Thing is, the promise would've been completely unnecessary if they didn't mean it. They could've played the typical game, make the typical phrases and everyone would've known what's going to happen eventually. Dortmund fans had made peace with him leaving already. It only makes sense to be so strict if they don't intend to sell at all. Why communicate the stuff with the deadline and that there was no leeway for negotiation at all when he moves a month later?
 
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