So western democracies doesn't kill their own presidents? their own citizens sometimes?
Sadly, people in control, democracies or not democracies, will do whatever it takes to remain in control, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it.
Jamal Khashoggi Murder | Ordered Directly by MBS
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Sadly, people in control, democracies or not democracies, will do whatever it takes to remain in control, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it.
Saudi Arabia is a terrorist state. They do shit ISIS get a bad rep for on a regular basis. Only difference is they have the world's largest oil reserves.
90% of terrorists are either Whahabbis or Salafis. Not a fecking coincidence.
The world was always a dangerous, vile place. There’s just better coverage of it now. But balanced out by equal measure of conflicting propaganda to make sure we are all baffled and confused.
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It's disgusting. Kill someone cause they wrote something you don't like. What value do you place on life?
The world is possibly currently more dangerous than it was ten or twenty years ago, but it was definitely more acute during the Cold War. Nuclear War was genuinely close several times. That's not going to happen now (unless India and Pakistan get some ideas, but that might be contained), but I guess we do have Russia making proxy-war moves. And the middle east is still the middle east.
Despicable but par for the course with the 'reformer' prince. His crackdown on dissidents and critics and the rate of it is shocking. Or is it? He has the unconditional support of Trump and when someone dared mention his human right abuses (Canada), we found very few supporting voices anywhere.
Instead of enlightenment and human rights reaching Saudi Arabia and other similar repressive areas of the world, the enlightened world is regressing.
Instead of enlightenment and human rights reaching Saudi Arabia and other similar repressive areas of the world, the enlightened world is regressing.
He was wearing an Apple Watch which was connected to his 2 phones outside the embassy. Hopefully the recordings may help to determine what happened to him.
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No, western democracies do not kill their own presidents.
And no, the western democracies do not kill people because they criticized their presidents.
<<“He said the safest country in the world for Saudi Arabians was Turkey,” said Yasin Aktay, an Erdogan aide and close friend of Khashoggi.>>
Really? He was placing his faith on Erdogan? Erdogan has jailed dozens who criticized him!
Yeah but this guy is/was connected to the Muslim Brotherhood by the looks of it. Given Erdogan's support for the MB he had probably been in Turkey on the understanding that Erdogan had his back.
I didn't know that. So it is red islamists vs blue islamists or something? They all work for the glory of allah but under different clubs? And that guy was against the crackdown in his own country but fine with the crackdown in Turkey?
I don’t know his views on Turkey. But yes, the Saudis and the other so-called ‘moderate’ Arab states - UAE, Egypt and Jordan - despise the MB and its backers Turkey and Qatar, which they believe (with some reason) aim to overthrow them.
I’m not fan of the MB in the slightest but this is hardly a unique strain of hypocrisy. The west is just as guilty of preaching to the high heavens of Iranian/Syrian-sponsored oppression while turning a blind eye to Saudi crackdowns.
The issue at hand here is we have the probable murder of a journalist on behalf of the Saudi regime being spearheaded by a ‘reformist’ crown prince (who incidentally is championed by the west).
What's the effect of this on Turkish-Saudi relations?
They were already in the gutter.
Turkey has Qatar's back which has angered Saudi Arabia.
What shared values?
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Bombing Yemenis?
Money and weapons.
And oil!
Just wait until Drumpf gets involved.
He already is.
If any country needs an 'arab spring' it is Saudi. State funded terrorism at its finest - cnuts.
Horrific to think that anyone, anywhere would commit a crime such as this, but for any sort of “civilised state” to commit it gives me the shivers. Beggars belief that it could be carried out on the orders of a country’s rulers and followed through by diplomats on another country’s territory. Saudi diplomats will not be welcome guests in Turkey or anywhere else if they have murdered Khashoggi in this way.
Safe to say the Saudi consulate won’t need a public entrance for the foreseeable future, whatever the result of this investigation.
Safe to say the Saudi consulate won’t need a public entrance for the foreseeable future, whatever the result of this investigation.
civilized state
Probably a morning after pill there is a stone.Careful when you criticize this!
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Laughable that they're trying to say none of the cameras inside were operational.
People that do these kind of things are getting more and more brazen.
People that do these kind of things are getting more and more brazen.
Yes, you do have a point but to be fair I did put it in inverted commas.civilized state
You sure? I think they've always been brazen like this.
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Saudis are now joining the Russians in spelling the word “murderers” incorrectly. Then again maybe it’s just a pronunciation issue....terrorists does sound similar to tourists.
Not a word from May.
EXCLUSIVE: Jamal Khashoggi 'dragged from consulate office, killed and dismembered'
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-1433170798
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-1433170798
Yes they do. If you choose to ignore it, good for you.
Not a word from any nation’s leader, only from the two directly concerned....Trump in the USA because Khashoggi was their citizen and Erdogan in Turkey because he disappeared in their country.
A few foreign secs (Canada, France, Uk) have spoken out though. The rest have been silent.
Who and by whom?
For example, prosecutor Alberto Nisman in Argentina. He was working to bring Cristina Fernandez to justice...
Someone "suicided" him.
Same thing happen all the time with environmental activists. One day they are protesting, next day they are "suicided".
The whom are always the same people. Power and money interests.
But they recently let women start driving so everything is totally okay.
Saudi Arabia is a rogue state. Lets not forget they kidnapped an entire sovereign country's prime minister.
The police want to search the cars but the Saudis aren't allowing it? How is that a thing?
They're thinking about digging up the fellas garden? Why not just do it?